[identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
Now that the Tea Party has taken the plunge to support racism in Arizona, the Party will have the obligatory split over policy. I see a division into two distinct Tea Parties: one of them based on black tea and the other based on green tea. The black Tea Party would continue to support racism (black represents the color of their heart). The green Tea Party will favor a more rational, natural approach to immigration.

What is your opinion of these two parties within the Party? Which other policy divisions can we look forward to?
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Date: 16/5/10 23:08 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dukexmachismo.livejournal.com
black represents the color of their heart)

The notion of using "blackhearted" to indicate "racist" causes me cognitive dissonance.


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Date: 16/5/10 23:12 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 404.livejournal.com
Since when is supporting enforcing an existing Federal law racist?

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Date: 16/5/10 23:15 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] korean-guy-01.livejournal.com
Because it's primarily non-model minorities breaking said law.

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Date: 16/5/10 23:23 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 404.livejournal.com
The Final Fight Remix is the best. I played that bad boy on the SNES all the time.

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Date: 16/5/10 23:31 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] futurebird.livejournal.com
To get technical support the law isn't racist it is the belief, of the majority of the people who support the law, that non-white people are destroying America by breeding too much and munching up public services and committing crimes and something must be "done" about this "problem."

The majority of people who support this law are not disturbed by white Canadians or Brits who my be hear illegally. (though they will play lip service to equal application of the law.)

No, they are mad that people who look different who have a different culture and language are walking on "their" streets and moving in to "their" neighborhoods. They are angry when they go to a corner store and all of the canned goods say "Goya" and no one speaks English.

They are scared that the white America they grew up with is vanishing forever. Since a good chunk of the people in question are not "legal" they can go after that... but make no mistake if they could find a way they would send as all packing.

(no subject)

Date: 16/5/10 23:33 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 404.livejournal.com
I'm glad you are a mind reader and can speak with the knowledge of everyone who supports the law.

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Date: 16/5/10 23:36 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thies.livejournal.com
does an undetermined percentage of supporters for upholding the laws being racist make these laws concerning illegal immigration racist or means they shouldn't be upheld?

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Date: 16/5/10 23:36 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
I'm glad your reading comprehension levels remain the same.

the majority of the people who support the law

This ain't rocket science here, buddy.

(no subject)

Date: 16/5/10 23:37 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] futurebird.livejournal.com
Oh come on. Out of nowhere people in a state with a lot of LEGAL Mexican immigrants have suddenly developed a taste for obeying the letter of the law and even giving up some of their own civil liberties to beat back the "threat" -- you need only read what some of these people are saying.

The motivations are based in xenophobia.

That's why you also see people passing "English only" laws. This is about defining the national identity not politically but culturally-- and these people think it matters since they think that any other, any non-white culture is inferior--

(no subject)

Date: 16/5/10 23:37 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aintshesweet-x.livejournal.com
Oh great. ONE Tea Party is bad enough...

The Tea Party is ruining the Republican party. I'm a moderate Democrat, and there's a Tea Partier running for Senate in the Republican primary in my state, so I get a front row seat the the disaster. I don't even know what to think about the political mess in this country.

(no subject)

Date: 16/5/10 23:37 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 404.livejournal.com
Sorry, you fail too.

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Date: 16/5/10 23:39 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] futurebird.livejournal.com
The AZ law violates civil liberties. That's why it should not be upheld. Other laws may need to be changed and other met with better enforcement.

But this really is a separate issue from resolving the xenophobia-- if it can find an outlet in immigration laws it will move to some other topic.

(no subject)

Date: 16/5/10 23:40 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
I know you won't ever change. Rock doesn't evolve.

(no subject)

Date: 16/5/10 23:40 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 404.livejournal.com
Your whole argument is based on WHAT YOU THINK people are thinking, and basically that is enough to paint the whole group as racist xenophobes.

(no subject)

Date: 16/5/10 23:41 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 404.livejournal.com
I'm glad you have so much to offer, do please keep it up.

(no subject)

Date: 16/5/10 23:41 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] futurebird.livejournal.com
It's based on what member of these groups have said. They paint themselves as such.

(no subject)

Date: 16/5/10 23:42 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 404.livejournal.com
what people? do they represent EVERYBODY?

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Date: 16/5/10 23:43 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] futurebird.livejournal.com
Considering that you are just telling people that they "fail" (as if your word counted for anything on it's own) I think it is pretty ironic you'd make a remark like this. Come back when you have some substance to your arguments.

(no subject)

Date: 16/5/10 23:44 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 404.livejournal.com
You do as well, since you have gained the ability to channel the inner thoughts over every person who supports the AZ bill.

(no subject)

Date: 16/5/10 23:45 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
Who's offering you anything?

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Date: 16/5/10 23:46 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
it's funny because while Futurebird suggests that there's evidence to back up her assertion, you don't.

An example.

Date: 16/5/10 23:46 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] futurebird.livejournal.com
The vast majority of tea party people support, for example, English only laws. They don't even think this is controversial. That is, they don't have the good sense to see why it might be controversial since they view America in a very different way than I and many others do.

(no subject)

Date: 16/5/10 23:47 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 404.livejournal.com
I see you are her to be the little self-important partisan dog who yips at the slightest noise and then promptly craps on the floor.

Re: An example.

Date: 16/5/10 23:48 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 404.livejournal.com
as in English as the national language or forcibly making everyone speak English under the penalty of law... those are distinctions...

(no subject)

Date: 16/5/10 23:48 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 404.livejournal.com
and can't show any... other than vague quotes from amorphous sources...
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