Two Tea Parties

[sophia-sadek.livejournal.com]

Now that the Tea Party has taken the plunge to support racism in Arizona, the Party will have the obligatory split over policy. I see a division into two distinct Tea Parties: one of them based on black tea and the other based on green tea. The black Tea Party would continue to support racism (black represents the color of their heart). The green Tea Party will favor a more rational, natural approach to immigration.

What is your opinion of these two parties within the Party? Which other policy divisions can we look forward to?

Comments

[404.livejournal.com]

and can't show any... other than vague quotes from amorphous sources...

[dwer.livejournal.com]

which has nothing to do with the fact that you're suggesting you know peoples' minds better than she does, and provide NO quotes from NO sources.

[404.livejournal.com]

Never said I did. I am merely pointing out that she can't speak for the majority that does.

[dwer.livejournal.com]

but of course, YOU can.

[404.livejournal.com]

Probably better than she can, but I am not saying I am, like she is.

[dwer.livejournal.com]

except for the part where you are.

[404.livejournal.com]

I will wait for your proof.

[dwer.livejournal.com]

no waiting. just scroll up.

[404.livejournal.com]

Still waiting...

[dwer.livejournal.com]

scrolling up -- ur doin' it wrongz.

[404.livejournal.com]

*crickets*

[dwer.livejournal.com]

I see your brain scans came back.

[404.livejournal.com]

hur hur hurrrrrr

[dukexmachismo.livejournal.com]

Can I nominate this for a daily quote?

I mean, seriously, it pretty much encapsulates so much of current political discourse.

[404.livejournal.com]

Whatever makes your day a little brighter, I'm for it.

[abomvubuso.livejournal.com]

Hehehe. Well it surely *is* funny, and describes the political discourse today, but i'm afraid it'll spill off the screen if quoted in its entirety (i mean the whole exchange). Nevertheless, funny funny funny! :D

[futurebird.livejournal.com]

LMAO. This is too funny.

here's a little... now your turn

[futurebird.livejournal.com]

"Obviously not," Brewer replied. "You know Arizona has been under terrorist attacks, if you will, with all of this illegal immigration that has been taking place on our very porous border. […] The whole issue comes back, that we do not and will not tolerate illegal immigration bringing with it very much so the implications of crime and terrorism into our state."

Republican governor, Jan Brewer

This is hyperbole.

Rep. Pearce, R-Mesa, said during an interview on “Morning Edition” on KJZZ (91.5 FM) that he would support bringing back a controversial federal program dubbed “Operation Wetback,” which was designed to apprehend and deport illegal Mexican immigrants in the mid-1950s.

“We know what we need to do,” Pearce said on the radio show. “In 1953, Dwight D. Eisenhower put together a task force called ‘Operation Wetback.’ He removed, in less than a year, 1.3 million illegal aliens. They must be deported.”

State Rep. Russell Pearce (Who introduced the bill)

The bill was written by Kris Kobach, he thinks that today's immigrants will "divide the United States into two peoples, two cultures, two languages."

Re: here's a little... now your turn

[gunslnger.livejournal.com]

It's not hyperbole. Have you even looked at how much the crime rate (and just random crimes but kidnappings and murders) has risen in AZ in the past couple years, most of which is due to the illegals?

Re: here's a little... now your turn

[futurebird.livejournal.com]

Although Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio and others have defended it, Phoenix Police Chief Jack Harris suggested it's at best superfluous in terms of helping local law enforcement combat serious crime and at worst a diversion of resources to enforcing federal immigration law.

"Proponents of this legislation have repeatedly said that the new law provides a tool for local law enforcement, but I don't really believe that that's true or accurate," Harris said at an April 30 news conference. "We have the tools that we need to enforce laws in this state to reduce property crime and to reduce violent crime, to go after criminals that are responsible for human smuggling, to go after criminals that are responsible for those home invasions, kidnappings, robberies, murders."

Judith Gans, who manages the Immigration Policy Program at the Udall Center for Studies in Public Policy at the University of Arizona, said predictions that crime will drop because of the law are "really overstated." While Mexican drug- and human- smugglers pose an ongoing threat, most illegal immigrants try to avoid causing problems once in the United States, she said.

"There are lots of studies that have confirmed that immigrants, and especially undocumented immigrants, are far less likely to commit crimes than the general population," Gans said.

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2010/05/16/20100516immigration-law-arizona-claims.html#ixzz0o9LEm0oP

1) Has the crime rate gone up? In what sense?
2) Is illegal immigration the "cause" ?
3) The problem with drugs is separate from immigration. Conflating the two is not going to help us get to the root of the problem.

Re: here's a little... now your turn

[gunslnger.livejournal.com]

The people coming over the border illegally bring drugs with them, more often than not (not necessarily willingly). Doing something to reduce incentive for people to come over will help reduce that source. Illegal immigration does not mean that everyone coming over is just looking for work. There are plenty of people who are criminals coming over too. Regardless, the point of the law isn't to reduce crime directly.

Re: here's a little... now your turn

[sophia-sadek.livejournal.com]

That's a good point. After all, the growers of Humboldt County prefer to reduce the competition of foreign supplies. Heavy handed immigration enforcement isn't just a form of labor protection, it also protects domestic narcotics farmers.

Re: here's a little... now your turn

[reality-hammer.livejournal.com]

Except that 100% of illegal immigrants are already breaking the law.

Oops.