Talk politics.

Sorry, you fail too.

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I know you won't ever change. Rock doesn't evolve.

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I'm glad you have so much to offer, do please keep it up.

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Considering that you are just telling people that they "fail" (as if your word counted for anything on it's own) I think it is pretty ironic you'd make a remark like this. Come back when you have some substance to your arguments.

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You do as well, since you have gained the ability to channel the inner thoughts over every person who supports the AZ bill.

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it's funny because while Futurebird suggests that there's evidence to back up her assertion, you don't.

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and can't show any... other than vague quotes from amorphous sources...

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which has nothing to do with the fact that you're suggesting you know peoples' minds better than she does, and provide NO quotes from NO sources.

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Never said I did. I am merely pointing out that she can't speak for the majority that does.

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"Obviously not," Brewer replied. "You know Arizona has been under terrorist attacks, if you will, with all of this illegal immigration that has been taking place on our very porous border. […] The whole issue comes back, that we do not and will not tolerate illegal immigration bringing with it very much so the implications of crime and terrorism into our state."

Republican governor, Jan Brewer

This is hyperbole.

Rep. Pearce, R-Mesa, said during an interview on “Morning Edition” on KJZZ (91.5 FM) that he would support bringing back a controversial federal program dubbed “Operation Wetback,” which was designed to apprehend and deport illegal Mexican immigrants in the mid-1950s.

“We know what we need to do,” Pearce said on the radio show. “In 1953, Dwight D. Eisenhower put together a task force called ‘Operation Wetback.’ He removed, in less than a year, 1.3 million illegal aliens. They must be deported.”

State Rep. Russell Pearce (Who introduced the bill)

The bill was written by Kris Kobach, he thinks that today's immigrants will "divide the United States into two peoples, two cultures, two languages."

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gunslnger.livejournal.com

It's not hyperbole. Have you even looked at how much the crime rate (and just random crimes but kidnappings and murders) has risen in AZ in the past couple years, most of which is due to the illegals?

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Although Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio and others have defended it, Phoenix Police Chief Jack Harris suggested it's at best superfluous in terms of helping local law enforcement combat serious crime and at worst a diversion of resources to enforcing federal immigration law.

"Proponents of this legislation have repeatedly said that the new law provides a tool for local law enforcement, but I don't really believe that that's true or accurate," Harris said at an April 30 news conference. "We have the tools that we need to enforce laws in this state to reduce property crime and to reduce violent crime, to go after criminals that are responsible for human smuggling, to go after criminals that are responsible for those home invasions, kidnappings, robberies, murders."

Judith Gans, who manages the Immigration Policy Program at the Udall Center for Studies in Public Policy at the University of Arizona, said predictions that crime will drop because of the law are "really overstated." While Mexican drug- and human- smugglers pose an ongoing threat, most illegal immigrants try to avoid causing problems once in the United States, she said.

"There are lots of studies that have confirmed that immigrants, and especially undocumented immigrants, are far less likely to commit crimes than the general population," Gans said.

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2010/05/16/20100516immigration-law-arizona-claims.html#ixzz0o9LEm0oP

1) Has the crime rate gone up? In what sense?
2) Is illegal immigration the "cause" ?
3) The problem with drugs is separate from immigration. Conflating the two is not going to help us get to the root of the problem.

Re: here's a little... now your turn

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Re: here's a little... now your turn

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sophia-sadek.livejournal.com - Date: 19/5/10 23:40 (UTC) - Expand

Re: here's a little... now your turn

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Who's offering you anything?

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I see you are her to be the little self-important partisan dog who yips at the slightest noise and then promptly craps on the floor.

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it's funny because I'm over here, and you're looking in the mirror.

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Right. Whatever you say boss.

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