Are ACORN and Planned Parent hood using the same staffing agency?

[verytwistedmind.livejournal.com]

My questions are:

 1)      Why does this keep happening?

a.       Consider that in 2008 Planned Parenthood had a similar mistake happen.

b.      How many times does it need to happen to be no longer a ‘mistake’ and we question their

2)      I believe that liberalism/progressivism/Democrats are inherently good and caring people. Is it that natural inclination to be caring that is somehow warpped their decision making ability when confronted with this sort of Evil? Are they being dupped into thinking they are ‘helping’ these children/young teenage girls by allowing some man to abuse them?

3)      Can we have this dialog without it going to the abortion issue? I’d like the discussion to be about LiveAction/Planned Parenthood/ACORN and the acceptance of underage sex workers.

A Planned Parenthood manager in New Jersey coaches a man and a woman posing as sex traffickers how to secure secret abortions, STD testing, and contraception for their female underage sex slaves, and make their whole operation “look as legit as possible” in an undercover video released this morning.

Clinic manager Amy Woodruff, LPN, of Planned Parenthood Central New Jersey’s Perth Amboy center, warns the pimp and his prostitute to have their trafficked underage girls lie about their age to avoid mandatory reporting laws, promising, “even if they lie, just say, ‘Oh he's the same age as me, 15,’…it's just that mainly 14 and under we have to, doesn't matter if their partner's the same age, younger, whatever, 14 and under we have to report.” She says, “For the most part, we want as little information as possible.”

 “If they're minors, put down that they're students. Yeah, just kind of play along that they’re students--we want to make it look as legit as possible.”

“This proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Planned Parenthood intentionally breaks state and federal laws and covers up the abuse of the young girls it claims to serve,” said Lila Rose, President of Live Action
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/vid-shows-planned-parenthood-advising-pretend-pimp-about-underage-sex-slaves/ 

Planned Parenthood fired Amy Woodruff the manager. Is that enough? Shouldn't strong policies be put in place so this doesn't happen again?

This isn't Planned Parenthoods first time offense against children

The Mona Lisa Project videos document Planned Parenthood's willingness to repeatedly violate mandatory reporting laws for statutory rape that protect children.
http://liveaction.org/monalisa <-- 2008


http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzone/2009/09/14/acorn-sex-scandal-now-a-triology-okeefe-exposes-again-in-new-york-city-video/  <-ACORN sex scadal.

 The similarity of these scandals bothers me a lot. Where are these liberal groups failing to train their employees/managers!? What policies and procedures are missing that would allow the ACORN manager or the Planned Parenthood manager to think that  discussing child prostitution rings with a man would ever be okay?  I've been in middle management for a long time now and after a few years you just become indoctrinated into the Corporate policy. I find myself towing the line all the time. Why aren't these managers doing the same? I know in my heart of hears that ACORN and Planned Parenthood don’t officially condone this sort of EVIL. Why is Live Action repeatedly able to find those individuals who are in charge (that’s important. They are the leaders not just some flunkies) who’d help out such a sick bastard.

 ACORN’s focus was housing and not nearly as well funded as Planned Parenthood ($374.7 million 2008). They have the revenue to train better. They should not be making this sort of grievous and awful mistake. Especially after 2008. Fool me once shame on you...fool me twice...loss of funding?

Comments

[the-rukh.livejournal.com]

Take a population of size X, the probability you'll get someone who will say silly things in front of a camera increases if you both increase the population and keep taking samples.

The only stupid people are the ones who think that this is somehow representative of that entire population.

[il-mio-gufo.livejournal.com]

did the planned parenthood office mgr know she was on camera?

[gunslnger.livejournal.com]

So, statistics are invalid then. Good to know.

[htpcl.livejournal.com]

LOL I have to say it for the second time today: "The more one talks, the higher the chance that they say something stupid".

[brockulfsen.livejournal.com]

So, we have what was said.

As no underage girl ever showed up at the clinic, how can we know what the responce would have been. Would the clinic have notified child protective services despite assuring Mr & Ms Pedobear that they wouldn't?

[il-mio-gufo.livejournal.com]

of course they would have notified the authorities! the tricky part is convincing the pimps to let the girls come to the clinic

[telemann.livejournal.com]

You left out the important part, the part where staffers at that office notified the FBI.

[verytwistedmind.livejournal.com]

So it's okay to council them because you called the FBI?

"These multi-state visits from men claiming to be engaged in sex trafficking of minors may be a hoax," Cecile Richards, president of Planned Parenthood, wrote in a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder last week. "However, if the representations made by this man are true," she wrote, they indicate violations of several sex trafficking, prostitution and child sex laws.

A spokeswoman for Planned Parenthood would not reveal the identity of the man, or men, who visited the clinics. The group does, however, suspect he has ties to Live Action, the pro-life, anti-Planned Parenthood group run by O'Keefe associate Lila Rose.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/01/is_it_a_underage_sex_slave_ring_or_a_hoax_either_w.php#

it sounds ilke their only motivation to notify Eric Holder was because they thought it was Live Action doing this.

Would they do this if they didn't think it was a sting? In 2008 they didn't.

[qnetter]

"I find myself towing the line all the time. Why aren't these managers doing the same?"

Because you work for a corporation, and it has competitors. Nothing you do has significant moral impact on how the world works. They have a mission, they have evil enemies, and those evil enemies have shaped those laws that you think protect underage people deliberately in ways that they think interfere with, rather than protecting them. Some of those individuals think it is a holy mission to do the good work (make sure STD testing, contraception, and abortion are available) in the face of laws, such as reporting requirements, that may have other virtues, but ultimately, interfere with those good and essential works. To that person, helping the sex traffickers is unfortunate collateral damage in service to the important part: helping the minors.

Besides, we do not know that Planned Parenthood would not have reported. We know what one person said in an interview. So we do not know that the faux "sex traffickers" would actually have been helped in any way.

[verytwistedmind.livejournal.com]

Are they helping minors when they are willing to conver up abuse of minors?


The Mona Lisa Project videos document Planned Parenthood's willingness to repeatedly violate mandatory reporting laws for statutory rape that protect children.
http://liveaction.org/monalisa <-- 2008

If an adult male is taking advantage of a female minor (AKA a child) is this helping or allowing the predator to continue preying on children?

[udoswald.livejournal.com]

You do realize this video comes from the same group of Breitbart financed right-wing extremists who made up the thing about ACORN and tried to break into a Senator's office, don't you? Nothing they release can be believed. They use selective editing to create the scandal they want and have no loyalty to truth or ethics (as evidenced by their breaking the law at the aforementioned Senator's office). In reality, the Planned Parenthood employees appear to have seen through the ruse and contacted the FBI for an investigation.

http://www.phillyburbs.com/information/guides/health_and_wellness/health_and_wellness_details/article/248/2011/january/25/planned-parenthood-seeks-fbi-probe.html

But you'll never see that on Breitbart's site.

[thies.livejournal.com]

not to forget the cnn loveboat thing. if the OPs information comes from a reliable source not embroiled in trying to manufacture scandals out of thin air I'll consider taking it serious.

[majortom-thecat.livejournal.com]

2) I believe that liberalism/progressivism/Democrats are inherently good and caring people. Is it that natural inclination to be caring that is somehow warpped their decision making ability when confronted with this sort of Evil? Are they being dupped into thinking they are ‘helping’ these children/young teenage girls by allowing some man to abuse them?

I believe that conservatives/Republicans are inherently good and caring people too, but I sometimes wonder if that has warped their ability to spell and use capitalization correctly.

[telemann.livejournal.com]

Yeah, what's the deal with them not being able to use a shift key?

[sealwhiskers.livejournal.com]

Actually, Planned Parenthood reported them to the FBI, this is well known by now:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/24/AR2011012404462.html

Although you didn't seem to think it important to mention.

What really is unknown is what was said in the unedited version of the video.

Also, it strikes me as funny, when it comes to the subject of entrapment, as this clearly is, that people don't realize that staff in organizations dealing with victims of various kinds, often play along so as to be able to keep contact with both victims and possible violators. If you stand up and huff and puff and say THAT'S WRONG, a real pimp or pedophile would never show their face there again and the trace would disappear.

[rasilio.livejournal.com]

That is what I am thinking, and the fact that Planned Parenthood *DID* report the issue to the FBI indicates this may be the case.

In the issue with the Acorn Staffers, well I think it was clear from most of their behavior that they came from neighborhoods where prostitution was common and they personally didn't see any issues with it regardless of the ages of the girls involved.

[thies.livejournal.com]

On December 7, 2009, the former Massachusetts Attorney General, after an independent internal investigation of ACORN, found the videos that had been released appeared to have been edited, "in some cases substantially". He found no evidence of criminal conduct by ACORN employees, but concluded that ACORN had poor management practices that contributed to unprofessional actions by a number of its low-level employees.[11][12][13][14] On March 1, 2010, the District Attorney's office for Brooklyn determined that the videos were "heavily edited"[15] and concluded that there was no criminal wrongdoing by the ACORN staff in the videos from the Brooklyn ACORN office.[16][17] On April, 1, 2010, an investigation by the California Attorney General found the videos from Los Angeles, San Diego and San Bernardino also to be "heavily edited",[4] and the investigation did not find evidence of criminal conduct on the part of ACORN employees.[3][4] On June 14, 2010, the US Government Accountability Office (GAO) released its findings which showed that ACORN evidenced no sign that it, or any of its related organizations, mishandled any federal money they had received.[18][19] [sources (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACORN_2009_undercover_videos_controversy#References)]

I believe that conservatives are inherently good and caring people. But some of them seem to be hellbent on trying to destroy organizations and individuals aligned with "liberal" causes which try to help those who can't help themselves through lies, deceit and betrayal for misguided ideological reasons. And some conservatives are just too willing to blindly believe those lies.

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

Why would you attempt something so absurd as confronting someone with facts?

[mylaptopisevil.livejournal.com]

Question time!

If someone goes to a service agency and claims they have access to children who they're helping abuse, what should the proper response be?

1) Should the agency throw the person out allowing that person to go back underground and continue to commit those acts?
2) Should the agency play along in order to gain as much information as possible that would allow the criminal to be prosecuted and the children rescued?

[verytwistedmind.livejournal.com]

1) If PP said that was their policy I would be so heartened and completely discount the Live Action video.
1-a) if this was their policy or plan why did they fire Amy?
2) ACORN was not playing along to the best of my knowledge. Planned Parent hood has a record of helping adult males prey on children. They have this record by not reporting the adult male who is molesting the minor that PP is 'helping'. PP also has been known to circumvent parent notification laws.

I like your spin on the story though. It is far less ugly than PP's desire to protect pimps and child molestors.

[meus-ovatio.livejournal.com]

Don't these people have anything better to do with their time?

[il-mio-gufo.livejournal.com]

probably they are simply anti Margaret Sanger & will do anything to pester PP

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Given that ACORN was entrapped by Breitbart one of these is not like the others. And frankly, until I see a cite on this from a source not inherently involved in the anti-abortion movement I'm going to ignore it just like I would a wikipedia article on Eastern Europe or the Caucasus.

[skull-bearer.livejournal.com]

I found the wiki entry on Poland to be clear and reliable, something this 'report' most certainly is not.

Breitbart: less reliable than wikipedia.

[eracerhead.livejournal.com]

Consider the source: "The Blaze is a news, information and opinion site brought to you by Glenn Beck and a dedicated team of writers, journalists & video producers."

"Why does this keep happening?"
Because Glenn Beck continues to lie, cheat and distort.

And also because Live Action consists of a bunch of weasels:
http://www.whas11.com/news/local/Louisville-abortion-clinic-targeted-by-pro-life-group-91772534.html

[anadinboy.livejournal.com]

pp get a massive kick out of this kind of thing, they are pimps themselves

[skull-bearer.livejournal.com]

Um. This came from Breitbart and Glenn Beck. I'd trust Encyclopedia Dramatica before I trust any of these loons.

[tridus.livejournal.com]

What does training and screening have to do with it? Judges are pretty well trained, and that doesn't stop some of them from being corrupt and taking bribes from the owners of private jails to send teenage defendants there on long prison terms to boost profits.

Corruption exists. Welcome to real life.

[malasadas.livejournal.com]

Being this gullible must make your life a living hell every time you watch television within two months of an election.

[mylaptopisevil.livejournal.com]

It's interesting that Planned Parenthood are automatically labeled as people who are pro child trafficking, yet the people who go in there asking all these questions about how to hide how they're trafficking children as curiously in the clear.

Boy, it's going to be really embarrassing when all these tapes turn out to be a cover story!

[farchivist.livejournal.com]

Well, let's do the links.
The president of Live Action is Lila Rose.
It appears that Lila Rose is a confidant and member of James O'Keefe ()'s organization.
Well, well. That says it all, doesn't this? I'm sorry, but I don't trust the video at all. James O'Keefe and his associates, which obviously includes Miss Lila Rose, are known for lying and falsification of documents and video.

If there are any shenanigans going on at Planned Parenthood, I'll believe it when the FBI or someone else a little more reputable than plotting to drunk up a CNN correspondent and do the date-rape to perform a 'sting' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_O%27Keefe#CNN_correspondent_incident). Which I also note Miss Lila Rose was involved in. Cute.

ZOMG EPIC GOTCHA I NO LONGER SUPPRT PLANNED PERENTHUD!!!1

[squidb0i.livejournal.com]

*yawn*

More pathetic shenanigans from the wannabe-nancy-drews.
Call me when they try to date rape a CNN reporter.

[anfalicious.livejournal.com]

The real issue here is:

Don't these people have something better to spend their time and resources on, like, y'know, helping people?

[dwer.livejournal.com]

Is it totally outside the realm of possibility for the Planned Parenthood staff to be thinking about ways to get the pimp to bring the underage prostitutes to the office, and try to help the girls get to safety?

Furthermore, you claim to be worried about "the children". Is it not wholly evident to you that in this case, there ARE no underage prostitutes?

Why aren't you concerned with the people of your ideology being apparently unable to do anything without lying about it?

[verytwistedmind.livejournal.com]

Is it lying when the police pretend to be underage girls to catch men online?

Planned Parenthoods lack of ethics when it comes to child rape and abuse of children is well documented

http://www.provitaadvisors.com/archive/PROVITA0309.pdf

This is not the first sting. The fact that they continue to fall for these stings tells me that there is a training crisis among their staff or a ethical concern regarding how they conduct their business


"Planned Parenthood is even arguing that it is unconstitutionalto report child rape because it invades a minor’s privacy."


"In Cincinnati, Planned Parenthood has been accused of covering up
the sexual abuse of a teenage girl by her father. Ohio law requires
professionals such as doctors, nurses, and teachers to report alleged
sexual abuse. According to the 2007 lawsuit against Planned
Parenthood, the teenager claims she was sexually abused by her father
for another 18 months because Planned Parenthood failed to report the
incest. After telling someone else about the incest, the girl’s father was
prosecuted and sentenced to five years in prison."


In a second case involving Planned Parenthood of Southwest Ohio
in Cincinnati, a 14-year old girl was impregnated by her 22-year
old soccer coach. He then took her to Planned Parenthood for an
abortion. The soccer coach signed-off on the abortion saying he was
her step-brother. The girl’s parents were neither notified nor gave
their consent for the abortion.

I'm not concerned by this organizations 'lying' the same way I'm not concerned when a police officer pretends to be a little girl to catch a child molestor or tries to buy drugs to catch a drug dealer.

You forgot to mention...

[drcruel.livejournal.com]

...that Breitbart faked the entire ACORN "scandal."

I'd have done the exact same thing-notified the FBI and tried to make the predators feel safe enough that they'd come back.

Besides, is the horror of teenage prostitution really improved by denying them STD tests?

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

So seriously: I didn't think you were a total idiot. But this kind of crap is like when Gunslinger posts something about Obama being from Kenya.

I mean, c'mon.

See Theis' comment about how the entire bullshit ACORN scandal was a load of hot air.