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Robert Jeffress:

Well, you know every year people bemoan the War on Christmas and I thought, “Let’s do something positive about it,” so we created this website, Grinchalert.com, it allows people to go on our website and, uh, if they’ve encountered a business that shuns Christmas they can talk about it and put that business on the naughty list but if they find a business that celebrates Christmas, they can put that business on the nice list. It’s just a fun way to say to businesses and organizations, “You don’t have to bow to political correctness. It’s okay to say, “Merry Christmas…”

John Roberts: What if businesses who are on the naughty list lose customers?... Would it be a good idea to affect people’s business at this season, which can be make or break for some people, and in this economic climate?

Jeffress: John, let me make it clear, we have never even hinted at a boycott…






"Never even hinted at a boycott?" Really? Here’s what Jeffress said on Fox:



Jeffress:
One great example in the Dallas area, there was a bank that took down a Christmas tree because they said it would offend customers. Well, there was another bank that got put on our nice list, the Providence Bank, because they put up a nativity scene. The CEO told me yesterday that there were customers changing from the bank that removed the Christmas tree, and they’re flocking to his bank.

Gretchen Carlson: You are not calling for a boycott of any of these businesses….

Jeffress: Oh, not at all, not in any way! You know, there’s a Mexican restaurant you mentioned that was saying Happy Holidays, but our family still goes there every week…


Watch the latest video at video.foxnews.com

So it’s all about reassuring businesses. Honest! It’s all about making them feel nice and safe. He’s not advocating a boycott.

But he’s delighted to share as an example that little story of a bank losing customers because they took down a Christmas tree.

See, here's what mystifies me about this... Jeffress likes the idea of forcing other people and businesses to utter "Merry Christmas" and post signs saying "Merry Christmas" who are uncomfortable doing it. Do the people at "Grinch Alert" really imagine that businesses and retailers intimidated into towing Grinch Alert's line are acting in the spirit of the season?

And here's one more video, especially for the Reverend Mr. Jeffress:



Thanx to Juliebogen

Crossposted at Thoughtcrimes

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Date: 10/12/10 22:06 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silver-chipmunk.livejournal.com
So suppose a business owner wishes to avoid being on the "naughty" list, and informs his employees that they MUST wish customers a "Merry Christmas" regardless of the religious beliefs of the employee, or else. How do we feel about that?

I'm not real happy with the thought of people being forced to violate their personal beliefs in order to hold a job, as long as the keeping of those beliefs doesn't violate anyone else's rights. (And it's hard to think how not being wished a Merry Christmas violates anyone's rights.)

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Date: 10/12/10 22:50 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
So suppose a business owner wishes to avoid being on the "naughty" list, and informs his employees that they MUST wish customers a "Merry Christmas" regardless of the religious beliefs of the employee, or else. How do we feel about that?

Fine. It's his private business. I feel no worse about that then I feel about the people who have to list off ridiculous names of items at theme restaurants.

I'm not real happy with the thought of people being forced to violate their personal beliefs in order to hold a job, as long as the keeping of those beliefs doesn't violate anyone else's rights. (And it's hard to think how not being wished a Merry Christmas violates anyone's rights.)

I assume you hold the belief that not filling a prescription "violate[s]" someone's rights, right?

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Date: 10/12/10 23:05 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silver-chipmunk.livejournal.com
"I assume you hold the belief that not filling a prescription "violate[s]" someone's rights, right?"

You know what happens when you assume, right?

Actually I happen to believe that there's nothing wrong with not filling a prescription, if you do it in a manner such as this: "I'm sorry but my religion (or whatever) will not allow me to fill that for you. However, here is someone who can fill it for you/here is somewhere you can go to get it filled."

So tell me, though. Do you believe that the person should be required to fill the prescription? And if not, how is that different from requiring , say, Jehovah's Witness who doesn't do holidays to wish someone a Merry Christmas? I don't see much difference, myself. (Except that the person getting the prescription filled has more of a right to their medication than the customer has a right to a cheery holiday greeting.)

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Date: 10/12/10 23:46 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
So tell me, though. Do you believe that the person should be required to fill the prescription? And if not, how is that different from requiring , say, Jehovah's Witness who doesn't do holidays to wish someone a Merry Christmas? I don't see much difference, myself. (Except that the person getting the prescription filled has more of a right to their medication than the customer has a right to a cheery holiday greeting.)

I think both are the same here - people have the right to do it.
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Date: 11/12/10 01:31 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com
Yeah, because its at will employment. If they don't like the rules of the job, they can quit.

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Date: 11/12/10 04:18 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geezer-also.livejournal.com
I'm guessing that's sarcasm, either that or you are becoming worse tha UL at jumping all over the place.....
Without the nuances of voice and facial expressions people have to stay in one place or tag their comments....Hmm, thinking new rule'''

Seriously dude, it scares me when you say too many things I agree with!

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