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Robert Jeffress:

Well, you know every year people bemoan the War on Christmas and I thought, “Let’s do something positive about it,” so we created this website, Grinchalert.com, it allows people to go on our website and, uh, if they’ve encountered a business that shuns Christmas they can talk about it and put that business on the naughty list but if they find a business that celebrates Christmas, they can put that business on the nice list. It’s just a fun way to say to businesses and organizations, “You don’t have to bow to political correctness. It’s okay to say, “Merry Christmas…”

John Roberts: What if businesses who are on the naughty list lose customers?... Would it be a good idea to affect people’s business at this season, which can be make or break for some people, and in this economic climate?

Jeffress: John, let me make it clear, we have never even hinted at a boycott…






"Never even hinted at a boycott?" Really? Here’s what Jeffress said on Fox:



Jeffress:
One great example in the Dallas area, there was a bank that took down a Christmas tree because they said it would offend customers. Well, there was another bank that got put on our nice list, the Providence Bank, because they put up a nativity scene. The CEO told me yesterday that there were customers changing from the bank that removed the Christmas tree, and they’re flocking to his bank.

Gretchen Carlson: You are not calling for a boycott of any of these businesses….

Jeffress: Oh, not at all, not in any way! You know, there’s a Mexican restaurant you mentioned that was saying Happy Holidays, but our family still goes there every week…


Watch the latest video at video.foxnews.com

So it’s all about reassuring businesses. Honest! It’s all about making them feel nice and safe. He’s not advocating a boycott.

But he’s delighted to share as an example that little story of a bank losing customers because they took down a Christmas tree.

See, here's what mystifies me about this... Jeffress likes the idea of forcing other people and businesses to utter "Merry Christmas" and post signs saying "Merry Christmas" who are uncomfortable doing it. Do the people at "Grinch Alert" really imagine that businesses and retailers intimidated into towing Grinch Alert's line are acting in the spirit of the season?

And here's one more video, especially for the Reverend Mr. Jeffress:



Thanx to Juliebogen

Crossposted at Thoughtcrimes

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Date: 10/12/10 21:49 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ddstory.livejournal.com
if they’ve encountered a business that shuns Christmas they can talk about it and put that business on the naughty list but if they find a business that celebrates Christmas, they can put that business on the nice list

Jeff. If you cannot see a hint in this you're just being disingenuous.

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Date: 10/12/10 22:32 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
There is no hint, especially when he explicitly turns down the idea of a boycott.
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Date: 11/12/10 01:27 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] light-over-me.livejournal.com
To send a message that Christmas is not offensive, and that if a business chooses to have Christmas tree (or not), they should be free to do so.

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Date: 11/12/10 01:38 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ddstory.livejournal.com
And they need a "nice" list and "naughty" list for that?

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Date: 10/12/10 22:48 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ddstory.livejournal.com
Now I know what they mean when they say that you create a reality of your own in order to make it fit into your narrative. For what purposes, remains a mystery to me.

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Date: 10/12/10 22:52 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
How am I creating my own reality by actively quoting what the guy says?

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Date: 10/12/10 23:11 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ddstory.livejournal.com
By taking his word for granted. I thought you're capable of critical thinking. But it's only critical when it criticizes a select side.

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Date: 10/12/10 23:48 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
Critically thinking, he's clearly not trying to get anyone to boycott. He's explicitly clear about it, and is more trying to change business behaviors.

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Date: 10/12/10 22:48 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com
Umm, okay. How are you defining boycott? Cause creating of list of business to avoid sounds like just that....

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Date: 10/12/10 22:52 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
At what point did this list become one of businesses to avoid?

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Date: 10/12/10 22:55 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com
Ah, I see the semantical distinction you are making now.

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Date: 11/12/10 00:37 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com
Yeah. He clearly wants to avoid saying boycott, but everyone knows that is what the list is for....
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Date: 11/12/10 09:06 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jerseycajun.livejournal.com
In fairness, the idea of segregating businesses out into "nice" and "naughty" lists carries with it unavoidable connotations of advice.

That said, regardless of what one calls it, it's still free speech and free association, so it's a molehill as far as issues go as far as I'm concerned, but we sure are on our way to making this a 300+ comment mountain of a thread.

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Date: 11/12/10 03:25 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nikoel.livejournal.com
Oh okay. As long as you deny what it seems to others like you're doing/saying then it's all okay.

Actions are real. Intent is bullshit.

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Date: 11/12/10 03:33 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
Well, his actions are clear. He's actively saying no to a boycott.

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Date: 11/12/10 03:41 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nikoel.livejournal.com
You are beyond ridiculous.

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Date: 11/12/10 03:44 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
Am I? I'm not the one tossing out the privilege nonsense.

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Date: 11/12/10 03:46 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nikoel.livejournal.com
You seriously need to expand your world. Either that are you really are just lacking any shred of empathy for anyone not part of the status quo.

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Date: 11/12/10 15:08 (UTC)
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Why are "others" only defined as you and those who agree with you and not those who disagree?

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