[identity profile] malasadas.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
What are the odds that this gets a LOT worse by the traditional spring time offensive season when a young general's fancy turns to invasion?

Brief timeline:

North Korea is accused of torpedoing a South Korean warship.

South Korea fires at North Korean fishing boats crossing the maritime border North Korea refuses to recognize.

North Korea is revealed to have highly modern facilities for nuclear material enrichment.

Not to mention, North Korea is facing the challenge of passing along the regime to a third generation of the Kim family.

North Korea is known for rattling its sabre and demanding to have attention paid to it when it is being ignored, but this is looking like a very different than recent years -- South Korea really has to retaliate...and half of South Korea's population lives in the Seoul metropolitan area within artillery range of the DMZ.

So a question -- is North Korea suicidal or are they betting that this behavior can get them some more winter grain shipments?

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Date: 23/11/10 13:52 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taurus-1.livejournal.com
It is of their Korean business, isn't it?
What if the people of South Korea will conclude that they want to drive Juche way one day? Democracy is just a buzzword with no real contents behind it for me.

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Date: 23/11/10 14:33 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Then that will be their decision and they'll be having another rendition of North Korea massacring everyone who looks at them cross-eyed. It's not the old days of Kim Il Sung in the North and Syngman Rhee in the South, by now South Korea is actually a democracy where North Korea is a dictatorship akin to the Soviet Union under Joe Stalin the 21st Century. South Korea will do that the day Hell freezes over.

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Date: 23/11/10 14:34 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
"It is of their Korean business, isn't it?"

Indeed, it is. So why are you saying:

"All they want is to unite all Koreans under true democratic JUCHE idea."

Shouldn't this go both ways? I mean what if South Koreans don't want to be like North Korea, without having to be told by anyone else to think this way? Have you talked to any actual South Koreans on this issue, or you're just drawing conclusions from between your fingers?

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Date: 23/11/10 15:15 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taurus-1.livejournal.com
That's what North Koreans want.
At the opposite POV, I don't know what South Koreans want. I can't imagine they want DPRK should be occupied too. Integrate broken families -- yes. Occupy the whole Korean peninsula -- no.

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Date: 23/11/10 15:19 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
But North Koreans are 1/3 of all Koreans. They may want lots of things but have they asked the remaining 2/3 of the Koreans what THEY want?

No-one wants to occupy North Korea right now. Everyone just wants them to stop acting like insane drunken teens.

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Date: 23/11/10 20:37 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
we have no idea what North Koreans want. We know what the LEADERSHIP of North Korea wants. I'll bet you a dollar legitimate currency like a ruble that most North Koreans would like food, shelter and maybe a nice show like Graham Norton to watch on the telly.

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Date: 23/11/10 22:25 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Abolishing the prison camps and police state apparatus would probably be a good start, too.

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Date: 24/11/10 04:54 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
oh, sure, but I figure that was already on the table. :D

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Date: 24/11/10 07:58 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taurus-1.livejournal.com
People of DPRK support their government, isn't it? It seems they like this style of life, if Kims are still in charge.

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Date: 24/11/10 09:10 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abomvubuso.livejournal.com
Man, thats simply... crazy.

Ever heard of brainwashing? And/or fear of political persecution?

I think you have. Given your apparent origin.

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Date: 24/11/10 09:14 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taurus-1.livejournal.com
Not only heard ;)
I'm learning to handle it inside this community as well.

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Date: 24/11/10 16:14 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
No way. He's dead serious. He's Russian.

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Date: 24/11/10 16:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
They support it as much as blacks supported the Confederate States of America.

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Date: 23/11/10 16:46 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ofbg.livejournal.com
Could it be you've never experienced true democracy in a Constitutional Republic combined with true Liberty?

We used to have that here.

We remember!

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Date: 23/11/10 17:08 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taurus-1.livejournal.com
Yes, indeed I've never experienced and don't have to. Thanks a lot. The nearest few years I'd better stay away from USA as I can see from here, it's planned to be collapsed

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Date: 23/11/10 17:09 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taurus-1.livejournal.com
...and don't want to. -- that correct

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Date: 23/11/10 18:45 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
So I thought. Well I've lived at both sides of the collapse of communism, and despite the many troubles we're having now, I can tell you I'd take the time After rather than the time Before, any day.

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Date: 23/11/10 19:18 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ofbg.livejournal.com
Our last election elected a bunch of people from a 'grass roots' movement that will have the ability to turn it around for the US, if the majority catches on and the new tea partiers grab a majority in congress in the next couple of elections.

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Date: 23/11/10 20:01 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
Gawd, such statements really make me wish Christine O'Donnell were elected in Delaware. The lulz would've been limitless!

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Date: 23/11/10 22:20 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
Words can make larger holes than macros.

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Date: 24/11/10 08:06 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taurus-1.livejournal.com
Yeah, yeah, yeah... Elections, elections, elections.
Is Barak Obama a legally chosen President?
Did he perform all of pre-elections obeys?
Is it true that the most (who voted for Obama) of the America people want to collapse their country? I think not. So why you have elected a man who's running to collapse? Is there any guarantee that the next elections will drive the American nation away from collapse?

BTW, DPRK (according to Wikipedia) also have had an elections in 1998, 2005 and 2008

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Date: 24/11/10 09:16 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ddstory.livejournal.com
Is Barak Obama a legally chosen President?

Are you contending that the last presidential elections were, by chance, rigged, therefore illegitimate? That's some pretty huge conspiracy we're talking here. Got some evidence? We're about facts here, right?

Did he perform all of pre-elections obeys?

Obeys? Didn't get that part too well. I assume you meant promises. Well, that's a problem. Does any politician ever fulfill 100% of their promises? What do they do promises for, during elections?

Returning to Kim - he says he'll bring prosperity to his people. Has he done it? And if not, who would hold him accountable for failing on his promises, and more importantly, how? Is that possible at all, since he holds all power tools in his country?

Is there any guarantee that the next elections will drive the American nation away from collapse?

Is there ever a guarantee for what would or would not happen in the future? Who can guarantee the future?

BTW, DPRK (according to Wikipedia) also have had an elections in 1998, 2005 and 2008

And let me guess. 100% of everybody voted for dear Kim. Right? Everybody just adores him so much they're afraid to even question him why they're so poor and starving. Love is crazy, isn't it?

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Date: 24/11/10 22:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com
Could it be you've never experienced true democracy in a Constitutional Republic combined with true Liberty?

We used to have that here.

We remember!


Rich men may have had it, everyone else, not so much.

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