[identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
I wonder why, if the Health Care bill could be willingly defied because it's a "Bad law" and people can pick or choose what law they wish to follow the rhetoric suddenly does a 180 when it comes to the immigration bill? Why is Immigration so special an issue that it must be absolutely enforced, where the Health Care Bill, passed as it was by both Houses of Congress by all legal means (and with the added bonus of fitting right square into the 9th Amendment where the Arizona bill violates both the 14th Amendments and the Guarantee Clause) can be willfully disregarded?

Wasn't it not so long ago that people like Congresswoman Bachmann were suggesting that the Health Care law could be ignored? My feeling on this is that the Right Wing cares not one whit if the government extends its power into the lives of individuals but will scream bloody murder the very instant the government attempts to regulate corporations with anything approaching equal severity. For that matter, why does this bill receive support when it puts the onus on individuals, as opposed to things like the CEOs who hire mass illegal workforces so they can make money on the cheap and behave like Gilded Age Fat Cats? Surely if people were serious about the problem ensuring that corporations find no profit in lawbreaking and instead in hiring people who are here legally and citizens, however that is defined would be a help, no? Or would that be the bloody red hordes of Yekatirenberg ravening for the blood of the John Galts of the world?

Another simple, simple step to actually dealing with immigration that would be more than something directly out of the playbooks of totalitarian societies such as the Confederate States of America would be something as basic as simplifying the extremely cumbersome legal immigration process so it doesn't take 4 years and exhaustive work to become a naturalized citizen while simply walking over the border becomes the cheaper and more affordable option.

But alas, that doesn't send a tingle down the leg of El Rushbo and the "let's overthrow the guy who wants to ensure people don't die in emergency rooms because they lack insurance because he's TOTALLY EQUAL TO UNCLE JOE" crowd.

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Date: 29/4/10 18:24 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
Now that you've solved that, maybe you can explain how magnets work?

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Date: 29/4/10 18:24 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com
Nobody can explain how magnets work. All we can do is describe.

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Date: 29/4/10 18:30 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
That's not completely true, it's just the explanations people come up with have much less evidence and more hypothesis than many other things that we label as 'explained'.

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Date: 29/4/10 18:33 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com
Unless and until we accept "fucking magic" as the reason for why things work (ie: causation), as a fundamental axiom, we will be lost in a never-ending maze of explanations and discursive explanations of explanations. What explains the Higgs Boson? Fuck, now we have something else to explain! It never ends! Never ends!

Fucking magic!

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Date: 29/4/10 18:38 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
Its true that it never ends. Personally I think we're living in a group hallucination that invents new experiences as we reach for them, like a dream would. We invent a microscope to look really closely at things, and low and behold, there's something there. We invent an electron microscope to look even closer and shazam! Something else there. If we figured out (fairly) definitively what caused magnetism, it'd be made up of new mysteries.

That doesn't mean it's magic any more than gravity is magic. Oops, bad example. That doesn't mean it's magic any more than any other thing we don't currently understand. And airplane would be magic to a caveman, but we understand the principles that explain how it works.

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Date: 29/4/10 18:39 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com
Airplanes: just there in the air.

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Date: 29/4/10 19:01 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
According to my new Texas science texts, written by ICP, I am forced to agree.

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Date: 30/4/10 02:18 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geezer-also.livejournal.com
Hey I like magic. I haven't decided whether or not I want to be Harry P{otter or Percy Jackson when I grow up. (While Percy is cooler, Harry's got Ginny)

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Date: 30/4/10 17:26 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abomvubuso.livejournal.com
How much more do you want to grow up?

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Date: 30/4/10 17:47 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geezer-also.livejournal.com
Well actually I already grew up....don't like it.....I'm making great head way into growing back down :D

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Date: 30/4/10 21:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abomvubuso.livejournal.com
Benjamin Button?

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