[identity profile] pastorlenny.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics

We have to rid the world of Judaism. Judaism is based on the stupid notion that some particular god exists. We know that this cannot be the case, because we can detect everything that exists with our senses and/or the various devices we build for detecting things. Also, if the god the Jews made up existed, it would never have allowed Hitler to kill so many of them. As a matter of fact, if there was a god, nobody would ever die—because no real god would have ever allowed any life to end. Ever.

Also, we can appropriately hold Judaism responsible for the emergence of those other two horrific belief-systems: Christianity and Islam. Christianity is responsible for more wars than any other belief-system ever in history. And believing in Islam makes you blow yourself up to get imaginary girls in the next life. So we should nip Judaism in the bud before it creates some other disastrous belief-system—like one that makes you want to get as much money as you can in life no matter how it affects others. If that ever happened, the world would be screwed.

Please understand that I am not advocating the execution of Jews themselves. Instead, I am saying that we should become more diligent and aggressive about making sure everyone knows that Judaism is a delusional and destructive belief-system that no decent, rational person would ever accept. If we can teach this in our schools, if we can get our message out through the media, if we will not be ashamed to state these obvious truths in our daily social conversations, we might be able to eliminate the cancer of Judaism from human discourse within a generation or two.

Now I know there are those of you who are going to claim that Judaism is not entirely bad. After all, Hendrix couldn’t have recorded “All Along the Watchtower” if a Jew hadn’t written it first—and we all have a soft spot for at least one Seinfeld episode. But Judaism, as the root-cause of Western monotheism, must be viewed on balance as perhaps the greatest single evil ever foisted on humanity by a tribe of superstitious, bloodthirsty savages.

So who among you is willing to step up to the plate? Or do you want to go on pretending to be rational people—even as you continue to tolerate this singularly pernicious crime against reason itself?


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Date: 17/7/11 05:50 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] box-in-the-box.livejournal.com
I only support ANY institution's continued existence as long as it's not doing more harm than good, and both religion as a whole and any number of individual faiths are, at best, tiptoeing on the edge of that line. While you're at it, why not insist that I should unequivocably and without reservation LIKE for there always to be Republicans, or Mormons, or Tea Partiers, or Scientologists? It all makes as much sense to me, because I see ALL of them as being similarly bullshit that I shouldn't have to be forced to deal with.

So no, I WON'T endorse the "correct" statement that you were trying to shepherd me toward all along, because as far as I'm concerned, it's MORALLY wrong to demand that I actively DESIRE the continued existence of ANY ideological group whose views I don't subscribe to, no matter how much you preemptively invoked Godwin to try and BULLY me into doing so by implying that anyone who DOESN'T repeat your contemptible fucking Shibboleth is an anti-Semite.

I want the Jews, and the Christians, and the Muslims, and every other religion to LEAVE ME AND EVERYONE ELSE THE FUCK ALONE. THAT is my criterion for determining whether or not ANY of them deserve to exist. If they CAN'T do me and everyone else that very basic courtesy, then no, as far as I'm concerned, they DON'T deserve to exist.

Fortunately, I've known quite a few religious folks who actually ARE capable of extending that simple decency to others, but then again, we still have global political policies being determined by people who, in spite of being deeply anti-Semitic, actively support the state of Israel because, by their own explicitly stated admission, they're attempting to fulfill Biblical prophecies about Armageddon, which would constitute the exact opposite of "NOT shoving their own religion into everyone else's faces."

If the live-and-let-live folks can wrest control of their own religions out of the hands of those who have forced their religions into countless aspects of secular governance, education, military operations and society as a whole where they do not belong, then yes, I'll be able to get along with those religions' continued existence. Otherwise, FUCK 'em.

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Date: 17/7/11 06:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] box-in-the-box.livejournal.com
Thanks for responding in such a glib and dismissive manner to the numerous real-world examples I've given of how religion as a whole, and certain religions in particular, are unacceptably oppressive in the personal and global existences of non-believers. It really shows your true colors as someone who's blinded by your own privileged entitlement.

So, I'll ask again: Should I desire the continued existence of ALL the current religions, or JUST the Jews? If ONLY the Jews, since you yourself insist that you're discussing the Jews specifically, and NOT those other religions, then WHY should I care about the Jews to the EXCLUSION of caring about those other religions, aside from your own religious chauvinism?

My STARTING position on EVERYTHING is INDIFFERENCE. To say that I should CARE about or LIKE something necessarily means that they must have some MERIT or RELEVANCE in my own life. I'll ask again: WHY should I WANT for Judaism or ANY religion to continue to exist?

If you can't JUSTIFY it to me, then fuck off.

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Date: 17/7/11 06:40 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] box-in-the-box.livejournal.com
I'm only asking about Judaism right now.

No, I'M asking YOU. WHY should I care about ONLY Judaism. YOU answer the fucking question.

I mean, what "merit" or "relevance" does an 18-month-old Sudanese child in your own life?

A child is a human being. As a fellow member of humanity, I should want for my fellow humans to enjoy at least some level of amenities, opportunities and dignity. THAT is that child's relevance to my own life. Religion, by contrast, is a CONSTRUCT. The limits of its worth are whether it benefits humanity more than it harms it. The fact that you would even conflate the two shows how utterly wrong-headed and immoral your priorities are.

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