[identity profile] raichu100.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
...and no one has written it, so I'm taking the initiative.

In a recent post by [livejournal.com profile] the_rukh there was a heated ensuing discussion about whether it's appropriate to give advice to women to help them prevent being raped. One of the things that came up repeatedly in the discussion was that whether or not the advice was appropriate (and that is NOT the focus of this post so please don't argue about that here...) it was far more important to take other measures to prevent rape, and also treat rape victims (something that wasn't focused on in the post but which surfaced a great deal in the discussion). I realized that was something that needed to be discussed, and as has been pointed out to me, this is a topic on which I know little, though I have strong opinions. So, what do you guys think?

1. What are the most important steps that should be taken to prevent rape and decrease its prevalence in our society?
2. What are the most important steps that should be taken to improve treatment for rape victims?
3. How about the justice system? What needs improvement there, and how do we make those improvements?

I want to hear from the people who know more about this and I'm hoping to learn something (or many things). I also would like to continue the effort of creating a dialogue that all people who hate rape can contribute to.

Oh, and in case I haven't emphasized this enough, LET'S AVOID TALKING ABOUT GIVING ADVICE and focus on the other parts of the equation.

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Date: 14/6/11 00:32 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
1. kill all men.

That should solve the problem, and all others too.

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Date: 14/6/11 00:39 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paft.livejournal.com
Is anyone promoting such an idea, or are you just typing to be typing?

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Date: 14/6/11 08:27 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
As far as I can see, it's the only solution offered that would actually solve the problem.

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Date: 15/6/11 05:23 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sealwhiskers.livejournal.com
The passive aggressive nature of this answer seems to either be a ironic way of suggesting that:

Rape will never be solved and always exist, just like war and poverty etc, and thus discussing it won't change a thing, thus:

1) women should suck it up and just deal with it.
2) This is not a topic worthy of discussion and it's tiresome.
3) Men are being wich-hunted in this topic

..all this besides the fact that your way of claiming that there is no realistic way of "solving the problem" wasn't the issue the OP wanted to discuss in this post in the first place, in fact, the key word in the post is "improvement", which you seem to have missed.

It's tiring when someone is so flippant about something that is an important topic for others. If you think this is complete bs, just skip the post, it's real easy to scroll forward.

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Date: 15/6/11 07:20 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
You fail psychoanalysis. Thanks for playing.

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Date: 15/6/11 08:18 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sealwhiskers.livejournal.com
Actually, I'm not even a bit interested in analyzing your psyche, merely the "comments" that you granted this post. And I don't think anyone would deem it far fetched to say that they come in the ironic/flippant/passive aggressive category.
And as you haven't provided any further substance to your statements, my evaluation will stand.

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Date: 15/6/11 17:29 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
I didn't need any more substance. Your analysis was wrong.

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Date: 15/6/11 20:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sealwhiskers.livejournal.com
So what's your stance then, if your comments aren't ironic?
The only improvement that could be made is to kill all men? Do expand on that, please. I'd be curious to see where you stand on this matter.

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Date: 16/6/11 18:33 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
All the other solutions proposed are (will be) ineffective. Yes, I'm giving an extreme answer to make a point.

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Date: 17/6/11 19:59 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
Because the problem is humanity's general immorality, and you can't educate someone to be moral.

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