Shawna Forde gets death penalty

[kinvore.livejournal.com]

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/02/22/arizona.double.killing/?hpt=T2

I don't advocate the death penalty but I shed no tears for this woman. Here's the crux of the story: an anti-immigrant militant attacked a Latino family, killing the father and 9-year-old daughter (as she begged for her life), and shooting the mother who only survived because she pretended to die from the gunshot.

The murderers thought the father was a drug dealer and they wanted his money to finance their budding hate group. I guess that would have been a nifty recruiting tool for extremists, their willingness to kill Mexicans to get things done. Nevermind the fact that the victims were American-born citizens, such details are irrelevant when racial bigotry is concerned.

This is the sort of thing that happens when you fan the flames of hatred, dehumanization is the predecessor to atrocity. I'm surprised this didn't get more attention from the mainstream media, I guess they aren't as liberal as so many seem to think.

Comments

[kinvore.livejournal.com]

There's a difference between finding a crime horrific and thinking the government should execute them for committing it. Like I said I don't think she should be executed, or anyone for that matter. But I'd challenge you to find someone that would shed tears over a child murderer being executed. They would still prefer to not have them executed but it has nothing to do with justifying feelings.

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

I think tears for a situation where lives are lost and then another lost is appropriate.

Imagine if your son killed your husband in a fit of rage. Then the state executed your son. I think tears would be the only response.

Death = loss.

[kinvore.livejournal.com]

Well you're talking about someone personally affected by a murder, I'm talking about the public at large.

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

Ah, right, no tears.

[geezer-also.livejournal.com]

See that's what I can't comprehend killing a child should be automatic death penalty, not vengence....JUSTICE!!

[dwer.livejournal.com]

where's the justice in the state killing someone?

[geezer-also.livejournal.com]

you are right, the parents should do it.

[dwer.livejournal.com]

there's no justice in that, either. An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth leaves the whole world toothless and blind. (Ghandi)

[geezer-also.livejournal.com]

Oh, if Ghandi said it, that settles it.

It may not be nice, it may not fit your ideal of morality, but yes, it is justice.

[dwer.livejournal.com]

No. It's revenge.

[geezer-also.livejournal.com]

You say that like it's a bad thing.....

[dwer.livejournal.com]

"Vengence is mine, sayeth the lord", right?

Interesting choice.....

[geezer-also.livejournal.com]

since the verse is not referring to punishment for law breaking.

Paul is quoting Deuteronomy, which is in the Torah. Also included in the Torah are lists of penalties for law breaking, including the death penalty, for further information see the book of Leviticus.

My favorite for picking verses of the bible (void of context) to prove a point are..."Judas went and hanged himself" "Go thou and od likewise" and "whatsoever thou doest, doest it quicklly" ...see how much fun it can be? :D

Re: Interesting choice.....

[dwer.livejournal.com]

Are you Christian or Jewish? Didn't Jesus set aside the law and say he was the new law? Turn the other cheek and all that?

Interesting question......

[geezer-also.livejournal.com]

I consider myself a Christian, but it has been suggested I don't do it right, and I'm not Jewish (but I do have Jewish relatives, but I digress (I really don't feel like going to work, so I'm dawdling)

At any rate, the point is the original verse you threw and me, and the principles you alluded to are all about inter-personal realtionships, not crime and punishment.

Oh, and my understanding is that Jesus came not to do away with the law, but to fulfill it.

[gunslnger.livejournal.com]

I'm not sure why you have tied together the two disparate items of shedding a tear for a criminal and disliking the death penalty.