Rape Logic

[meus-ovatio.livejournal.com]

"Mr. Anderson, you allege that on the night of 14 December 2010, the defendant robbed you on the corner of 24th St. and Broadway Ave. Am I correct in this?"

"Yes. He robbed me. Took my wallet."

"He took your wallet, Mr. Anderson? You mean, surely, that he tore your pants off and physically removed your wallet with his own hands?"

"Well no, it wasn't quite like that..."

"Well what was it like, Mr. Anderson?"

"He told me to give him his wallet and threatened me."

"And did you hand over your wallet, Mr. Anderson?"

"Well... well yes I did."

"So you willingly removed your own wallet and transferred possession of said wallet to the defendant?"

"No, he robbed me! He said he had a gun!"

"Did he, Mr. Anderson? Did he really say that?"

"Yes!"

"My client denies any such thing. What do you have to say?"

"He said he had a gun, and to give him his wallet."

"And did the defendant touch or harm you in any way?"

"Well... no... nothing happened like that... I was afraid!"

"Did you tell him that?"

"What? No! What kind of question is that?"

"So here we are left to believe only your word, Mr. Anderson? Your word that you freely handed over your wallet to the defendant, with no signs of violence, no evidence of any untoward actions, and yet you insist on wasting our time with this?"

"I was robbed!"

"That is precisely the issue under question, Mr. Anderson. Simply repeating yourself doesn't help. Mr. Anderson... were you drinking on the night of 14 December 2010?"

"Well yes... I was coming home from a pub I was at with my friends."

"Really, Mr. Anderson. How much did you drink?"

"Well I don't know really... a few beers, a couple shots... there was a birthday..."

"Ah, so it would be safe to say that you were suffering from, let us say, impaired faculties?"

"I know what happened to me!"

"Do you, Mr. Anderson? I can have an expert testify before the court that even moderate alcohol consumption greatly affects memory."

"This is insane!"

"No, Mr. Anderson, this is Conservative Court."

Comments

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

He's lampooning his point of view regarding the miscarriage bills/redefining "victims" as "accusers".

[htpcl.livejournal.com]

I like lampoons. They're funny.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Well, some of them are. This one, well...

[htpcl.livejournal.com]

I guess it's one of those things that you either hate or love, depending on your perspective.

[blue-mangos.livejournal.com]

Don't forget the proposed legislation to redefine rape as to whether it was "forcible".

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Not quite the same, because rape can't exactly be "unforcable."

[blue-mangos.livejournal.com]

According to John Boehner and Rep. Chris Smith (R-N.J.)it can be. Thankfully the outcry was so great they were forced to back down on that one.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Can you show me where they said that some rape can be unforceable?

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

No, if there's evidence, I'd be glad to see it and have my views follow the evidence as always.

[blue-mangos.livejournal.com]

Here you go. I had to search long and hard to find a link that didn't come from a liberal or pro-woman site as I knew you would dismiss that as liberal media. Hope this will do. http://themoderatevoice.com/99850/republicans-in-congress-want-to-redefine-rape/

[blue-mangos.livejournal.com]

Looks like it.

[farchivist.livejournal.com]

I have decided that he, like gunslngr, debates dishonestly and disingenuously.

[mahnmut.livejournal.com]

Your decision has been duly noted, and shall be carved into a UN resolution (as usual, falling short of sanctions of course). :-P

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

I'm aware of the proposal. You still haven't answered my question, though - can you show me where either of them said rape can be unforceable?

[silver-chipmunk.livejournal.com]

"With this legislation, which was introduced last week by Rep. Chris Smith (R-N.J.), Republicans propose that the rape exemption be limited to “forcible rape.” This would rule out federal assistance for abortions in many rape cases, including instances of statutory rape, many of which are non-forcible."

If you are limiting something to things that are "forcible", by any human logic there must be a version of whatever it is that is "non-forcible", or what is the point of ",\limiting" it?

Logic, please.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

That's the opinion of the person writing the article. Rape is rape - it's all forcible. Do I need to ask the question a third time?

[prog-expat.livejournal.com]

Not all rape is forcible (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/forcible). Date-rape drugs remove the need to use force, and intimidation can be quite effective, as the OP demonstrates. Intimidation ≠ forcible, as it is the threat of force or violence, not force or violence itself.

[mrbogey.livejournal.com]

The article doesn't support your assertion that they tried to redefine rape.

The article clearly outlnes that they tried to deny federal funds for abortions from non-forcible rape

[blue-mangos.livejournal.com]

That line about non-forcible rape? That's where it's redefined. Rape is rape. That's why it's called rape, even with other identifiers such as statutory rape or date rape. There is currently no distinction in any rape laws between "forcible" and "non-forcible". Making a distinction part of any law = redefining rape. You don't see how once it's in law in one place it can be applied to others?

[the-rukh.livejournal.com]

Describe a situation you would consider 'non-forcible rape'.

[abomvubuso.livejournal.com]

BDSM?...

*hides away*

[mrbogey.livejournal.com]

A 17 year old girl sleeps with her 19 year old boyfriend. She is clearly sober and discussedthe issue with him well in advance and fully consented to sex.

It is legally rape. But force was not used.

[farchivist.livejournal.com]

There are a lot of people, Franklin included, who think having sex with your wife when she doesn't want it isn't forcible rape. Or rape at all. "Wifely duties" and all that. Not that you'll think this has any validity.