Speaking of legends instead of facts:

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Which US President presided over one of the most infamous racially motivated incarcerations of US citizens in the country's history, for which he is ironically lauded by the opposition that hated him then? Which US President willingly sent Soviet dissidents to certain death at the hands of Stalin's death squads? Which US President successfully hid the effects of a major disease with the collaboration of the US Media? Which US President assumed the most wide-ranging power of any POTUS in the country's history, shamelessly breaking one of the oldest precedents, forcing US soldiers to go fight foreign wars against an enemy who really was none of our business in imperialism against a people that appointed an unpleasant megalomaniac, but he was the problem of that part of the world? Which President used a new and insidious means of communication to spread his shameless propaganda into our HOMES? 

Which President was it that shamelessly violated the letter and the spirit of Neutrality Acts passed by the Congress representing the Silent Majority of the American People who weren't in the least bothered by what the aforementioned megalomaniac was doing? Which President yielded to dangerous radicals who exploited without shame a war against that self-same megalomaniacal radical for purely selfish ends? Which US President was it under whom the US government assumed a power that it had never before considered remotely valid, only to extend these immoral and unjust expansions, including (horror of horrors) lifting a dirt-poor mountainous region out of the Stone Age (I kid, but barely) to that most evil and immoral of things, the draft? Under which US President was the HUAC led by a Soviet spy?

The answer is beneath the cut:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_D._Roosevelt

Now, this is the problem with pointing out that Reagan of propaganda-bordering-on-myth is not really the Reagan of real life. This is very much a valid point, but the patron saint of the progressive-liberal state did a lot of things that most modern liberals consider among the most immoral aspects of US society, such as acceptable use of strategic bombing, beginning the Manhattan Project, interning Japanese only on the mainland foreknowing that there was nothing but racism in it (as opposed to the Germans and Italians who actually were pro-Nazi), edit he also was POTUS when HUAC took its full form as a standing Congressional Committee, while expanding the US government's political power in ways that while necessary were entirely unprecedented. Similarly he was an undeclared member of the Allied Powers from 1940 which was very much violations of international law then and now.

So, I'm going to ask a simple question: As it's pretty much a given that Reagan, as an actual human being as opposed to a monomanical ideologue did not match his ideology, what does the real record of Franklin Delano Roosevelt mean? Would it be fair to say that he's actually not that much of a Progressive any more than Reagan was a zealous Conservative?

One more thing:

Remember when Reagan was responsible for losing the Cold War?

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940DE5DD163FF934A25752C0A96E948260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1

Comments

[mrbogey.livejournal.com]

I never said he never said that. I said you were rambling and going off the topic rather than deal with the issues raised about your assertions.

This incorrect interpretation you keep having regarding everything you read supports my position that all your historical assertions are likely wrong too

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

The ones that I back up with source documents from time where you back up with falsification and lies, you mean? Unlike you I actually do provide cites for my assertions. And unlike you I can actually type more than few sentences of Argumentum Ad Hominem, which is the only argument you've ever been capable of.

[mrbogey.livejournal.com]

Listen.

Focus.

Helm's racism has nothing to do with your incorrect assertion that the eightwig was largely opposed to Reagan's USSR dealings.

You're just posting blather for post count

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Actually if I wanted to do that I could macro-spam in the Friday LULZ threads. It's much simpler than that.

I was referring to your assertion that he never in fact used the words "University of Negroes and Communists." I provided a source from the 1980s that backed up exactly what I said, including Right-Wing intellectuals still living today. You have provided nothing of the sort to refute anything that I have said that proves your assertions come from something more than an asspull.

Until I see that, I will continue to deride this as another instance of my providing facts and citations and your providing Ad Hominem and refusing to do either.

[mrbogey.livejournal.com]

'I was referring to your assertion that he never in fact used the words "University of Negroes and Communists."'

I never asserted that. I told you to stop wandering around and be relevant with your responses. No doubt you've a 50 paragraph post built up on how people deny he said it based upon your horrid comprehension of what was said.

For the 50th fucking time.... What does his quote have to do with Reagan?

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

You said that he was the only notable Right-Winger to actually make a comment of that sort, which was entirely untrue even given the article's own words. Hence why Helms has predominated in this discussion.

[mrbogey.livejournal.com]

So tell me what other prominent rightwingers were saying the INF was a bad treaty? Because only a handful of republicans voted it down.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

William F. Buckley, Jr. for one.