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In an Op-Ed piece for Politico, Joe Scarborough thinks the GOP should "man-up" and take Sarah Palin down a peg. "Republicans have a problem," Scarborough writes at Politico. "The most-talked-about figure in the GOP is a reality show star who cannot be elected." To make matters worse, Scarborough prods, Palin does all of this while demeaning the legacy of GOP standard-bearers that many hold dear, people such as former presidents Reagan, whom she casually downplayed as "an actor," as well as George H.W. and Barbara Bush, whom she deemed "blue bloods." In a particularly caustic passage, Scarborough seeks to draw a comparison between the legacies of H.W. Bush and Palin:

"I suppose Palin's harsh dismissal of this great man is more understandable after one reads her biography and realizes that, like Bush, she accomplished a great deal in her early 20s. Who wouldn't agree that finishing third in the Miss Alaska beauty contest is every bit as treacherous as risking your life in military combat? Maybe the beauty contestant who would one day be a reality star and former governor didn't win the Distinguished Flying Cross, but the half-termer was selected as Miss Congeniality by her fellow contestants." Source.


Ouch. Sarah Palin's seriousness was questioned as recently in October by none other than Karl Rove, who suggested that a presidential candidate who appeared in a reality television show wouldn't have much gravitas. Peggy Noonan, Ronald Reagan's speechwriter fired off a few choice words to Palin, calling her a "nincompoop." While many defend St. Palin, suggesting it's the mean ole poopy-pant liberal media that has it "out" for her, there are plenty within the Republican party that also think Sarah is a lot of hot air.

Joe Scarborough's editorial.

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Date: 30/11/10 17:09 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com
He's a little ahead of schedule on the "denounce the last leader" schedule of retaining power.

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Date: 30/11/10 17:18 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com
FACT: I can't find one Republican who supported George W. Bush. This man was mysteriously elected in spite of every true conservatives harsh and vocal criticism. Nobody knows how he got elected, what with zero supporters in this country. Amazing really.

And Palin? Pshaw, she was the female Messiah of the listless Republican ship without an identity. She was the brand. She was the image and lifestyle of a new and SRS Republican party, united by the cornerstone values of vanity Christianity and conservative lifestyles.

Where do these people come from, and how do they gain power? Nobody likes them! Nobody at all! I'm so confused...

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Date: 30/11/10 17:30 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] debergerac.livejournal.com
FACT: I can't find one Republican who supported George W. Bush.

don't forget dick cheney. he literally supported bush for 8 years.

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Date: 30/11/10 18:13 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rasilio.livejournal.com
"FACT: I can't find one Republican who supported George W. Bush. This man was mysteriously elected in spite of every true conservatives harsh and vocal criticism. Nobody knows how he got elected, what with zero supporters in this country. Amazing really."

I can find several although all of them were holding their noses while they were doing so.

About the only issue which Bush was popular with actual Republicrats on was the wars, everything else they were at best sceptical on by 2006 and had outright abandoned the Bush boat by 2008.

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Date: 30/11/10 18:20 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com
There was no Bush boat in 2008. There was in 2004, and contrary to popular belief, Bush's spending policies were consistent from 2001-2008.

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Date: 30/11/10 22:07 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] devil-ad-vocate.livejournal.com
The Bush boat was a swift boat in 2004. Then it sunk.

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Date: 30/11/10 21:39 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tridus.livejournal.com
The wars were great, given how wikileaks has nicely shown us that invading Iraq was pretty much the dumbest thing you could possibly do when dealing with Iran.

Dubya will go down in history as a great example of democracy gone horribly wrong.

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Date: 30/11/10 19:28 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] light-over-me.livejournal.com
FACT: I can't find one Republican who supported George W. Bush.

I don't think you'll find many here who did, since it appears there are more Libertarian leaning folks in this community than Republicans.

Personally I did vote for Bush in 2004. Not in 2001, however, where I voted 3rd party.

And Palin?

I like her. She wouldn't be my first choice for president, and I don't consider her the crown jewel of the GOP. But I do find her, fairly, likable.

But that's just it isn't it? It's rare that we would necessarily end up with our first, or even second or third choice. I voted McCain in 2008, though I did not vote for him in the primary. There's also the fact that people tend to balance their vote against who they like and who they think has a strong chance of winning. So a lot of the time, we'll end up with politicians who appeal to the lowest common denominator of their respective party, because they end up being more popular with the mainstream.

Truly, the only way to escape this is to stop playing the "who you think can win" game, and just vote for who "want" to win. But most people won't do that, because they are too afraid of ending up with the alternative.

Now, with Palin, on the other hand... a lot of Republicans I know don't think she has any chance of winning for this very reason. Not because she is too mainstream or is too much of a celebrity, but because she's too polarizing. People aren't lukewarm about Sarah Palin- they either like her or absolutely loath her.

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Date: 30/11/10 19:50 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] box-in-the-box.livejournal.com
Truly, the only way to escape this is to stop playing the "who you think can win" game, and just vote for who "want" to win. But most people won't do that, because they are too afraid of ending up with the alternative.

And with very good reason, because in 1984 and 1988, Democrats nominated the guys who were so single-mindedly devoted to advancing our principles that they didn't give a damn whether they were electable or not. The result of us voting for our principles, at the expense of worrying about our candidates' electability, was a second term of Reagan and the first (and only) term of Bush Sr. To be honest, since I'm in no rush to see the White House go back to the Republicans, I HOPE you guys will vote for who you WANT to win, without worrying about whether they CAN win, so that we can score a second term of Obama (and possibly even a first term of his Democratic successor).

Here's a funny joke ...

Q: What do you call someone who declares a "moral victory"?
A: The loser.

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Date: 30/11/10 21:39 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] light-over-me.livejournal.com
Yeah. The reason we keep ending up with all these people in power that 'no one likes' is simply because voters are willing to compromise (often a lot), for the sake of winning and staying in power. Well, that's not the only reason, but it's a big factor. Another is that often, you'll get people who vote based on just one or two key issues that are important to them, and compromise on the rest-- like abortion, or gay marriage, or whatnot. It's possible for people to vote in someone they agree with on some things, only to get the wool completely pulled over their eyes on other issues.

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Date: 30/11/10 22:18 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
What do you call history being written by the losers?

The Classics and the Lost Cause.

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Date: 30/11/10 22:23 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] il-mio-gufo.livejournal.com
lmao --> vanity Christianity *chuckles* i'm gonna use that on a cousin ;) that's what they partake in for sure

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