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talkpoliticsI have ben encouraged to write as a person and not a spokesman for the Green party, and been told tha I dissect some great issues.
So cop this one folks - Is Obama ~really~ a Socialist; What Socialism is and if it has any effect on society. My own opinions coming right up.
First, lets define what we mean. I will let the egg heads go for a dictionary definition , but here is the working man's definition.
Socialism is where Society, usually thru' an elected government, does things.
Now, all Communists are Socialists by default, but not all Socialists ae communists. How come/
Well, Communism does not allow private property. A men may own a suit or a car under a communist system, but the land and all the means of production , including businesses that create wealth thru providing services like transport - these are all owned by the state.
Now, Socialists cover everyone who wants some sort of state intervetion , be it total or partial.
By this yardstick, if the State has an education policy and nothing else, it is partly Socialist and partly run on Capitalist Private Enterprise - and we could call it a Mixed Economy. but ist isn't really that mixed. Now suppose the State builds and runs hospitals as well?
Then the economy is getting even more mixed, with more Socialism, more state control.
Now, a country like the UK has currently got State Education and State Healthcare running alonside capitalist, private alternatives. It's a mixed economy.
Now, I have heard Americans on Youtube videos saying that Obama is a Communist, a Socialist and a Muslim. that he isn't even an American citizen. lets check some facts , shall we?
he was born in Hawaii. A US State when i went to school, and probably still is. if he were not allowed to stand for Prez, I am sure somebody would have told him so by now.
But is he a Communist? Evidently not - he has never advocated that all land , and all business concerns in America be turned over to State Ownership. So that claim is wrong . Period, as Americans might put it.
But, is he a Socialist? weell, how far does he want State control to go?
Are there State Schools in America? to that extent, he has got Socialist credentials.
To be frank, I think that Americans have been taking tax dollars to educate their kids for longer than most americans know.
Yet, State funded Education is a Socialist principle. Obama is therefore as much a Socialist as George Bush was. Not much, in other words. A country can only rid itself of the' taint' of Socialism when it can honestly say that the schools and hospitals are all privately funded. like thesewage system and the railroads. Thatcher said that in England "we buried Socialism". she lied. she cut it back, but never managed to kill it.
so long as the State controls any aspect of goods and services to the public, you have state controllled industry.
Now, as I have said before, the State can often run a good service. Nobody complains about the London Fire Brigade, nobody is running to buy up the sewers and even if they bought up the postal services, they would not be able to run a service to the outer hebrides and make a profit.
The best solution is a mixed economy. it is noteworthy that although Obama dragged thousands of people into the healthcare system in America, it is seems it's still funded by private insurance. it isn't truly socialist.
So cop this one folks - Is Obama ~really~ a Socialist; What Socialism is and if it has any effect on society. My own opinions coming right up.
First, lets define what we mean. I will let the egg heads go for a dictionary definition , but here is the working man's definition.
Socialism is where Society, usually thru' an elected government, does things.
Now, all Communists are Socialists by default, but not all Socialists ae communists. How come/
Well, Communism does not allow private property. A men may own a suit or a car under a communist system, but the land and all the means of production , including businesses that create wealth thru providing services like transport - these are all owned by the state.
Now, Socialists cover everyone who wants some sort of state intervetion , be it total or partial.
By this yardstick, if the State has an education policy and nothing else, it is partly Socialist and partly run on Capitalist Private Enterprise - and we could call it a Mixed Economy. but ist isn't really that mixed. Now suppose the State builds and runs hospitals as well?
Then the economy is getting even more mixed, with more Socialism, more state control.
Now, a country like the UK has currently got State Education and State Healthcare running alonside capitalist, private alternatives. It's a mixed economy.
Now, I have heard Americans on Youtube videos saying that Obama is a Communist, a Socialist and a Muslim. that he isn't even an American citizen. lets check some facts , shall we?
he was born in Hawaii. A US State when i went to school, and probably still is. if he were not allowed to stand for Prez, I am sure somebody would have told him so by now.
But is he a Communist? Evidently not - he has never advocated that all land , and all business concerns in America be turned over to State Ownership. So that claim is wrong . Period, as Americans might put it.
But, is he a Socialist? weell, how far does he want State control to go?
Are there State Schools in America? to that extent, he has got Socialist credentials.
To be frank, I think that Americans have been taking tax dollars to educate their kids for longer than most americans know.
Yet, State funded Education is a Socialist principle. Obama is therefore as much a Socialist as George Bush was. Not much, in other words. A country can only rid itself of the' taint' of Socialism when it can honestly say that the schools and hospitals are all privately funded. like thesewage system and the railroads. Thatcher said that in England "we buried Socialism". she lied. she cut it back, but never managed to kill it.
so long as the State controls any aspect of goods and services to the public, you have state controllled industry.
Now, as I have said before, the State can often run a good service. Nobody complains about the London Fire Brigade, nobody is running to buy up the sewers and even if they bought up the postal services, they would not be able to run a service to the outer hebrides and make a profit.
The best solution is a mixed economy. it is noteworthy that although Obama dragged thousands of people into the healthcare system in America, it is seems it's still funded by private insurance. it isn't truly socialist.
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Date: 31/5/10 14:20 (UTC)5) Nationalized Higher Education funding.
Given Texas attempts to skewer the truth recently (and not so recently) Maybe you too should try our wonderfull new ideas, Now They're trying to privatise the schools, call them acadamies and remove all blame from government for our great nation of
stupidChildren who can't read, write or count!(no subject)
Date: 31/5/10 15:05 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 31/5/10 15:52 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 31/5/10 18:22 (UTC)But, but, but.......
Date: 31/5/10 18:28 (UTC)Re: But, but, but.......
Date: 31/5/10 20:28 (UTC)You believe in the Spaghetti Monster. I know it. A bird told me.
What was her name?
Date: 31/5/10 20:50 (UTC)All seriousness aside, It's funny (peculiar, not ha ha) when I first heard of the (flying) Spaghetti Monster, from my agnostic nephew, I was deeply interested (being as how I had spent a number of years in my youth studying theology). The thing I was soon to discover was that the majority of theologians and adherents were usually involved with non-perscriptive meds (aka recreational drugs). Since my drug of choice is nicotine I was never able to understand all the fine points of the belief, and soon had to discontinue my studies. While interesting, I figured one untenable position was all I was willing to invest myself in, and I find YEC to be vastly more believable, but I admit that's just me.
Re: What was her name?
Date: 31/5/10 20:53 (UTC)Re: But, but, but.......
Date: 1/6/10 00:23 (UTC)Re: But, but, but.......
Date: 1/6/10 00:56 (UTC)I am a Creationist by belief, and a "young earther" by choice. I have said several times I may be, even probably am, wrong, but everyone is entitled to an untenable position, and I don't proselytize, so meh :D
Re: But, but, but.......
Date: 1/6/10 05:31 (UTC)