[identity profile] thies.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
Using the constitution as toilet paper - again. The Obama administration authorized the killing of Anwar al-Awlaki who holds US citizenship. There is some nefarious precedent being created by allowing the President to order the killing of American citizens, regardless of their alleged crimes, without granting them their 5th Amendment rights. Bush with his renditions, and the implications of the Patriot Act was bad enough, but ordering a US citizen to be assassinated as Obama now did takes it to a whole new level. I bet Stalin would be proud of Barry Soetoro. Anyone want to wager which other parts of the constitution will be considered void by Obama until he gets kicked out of the white house?

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Date: 7/4/10 23:15 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geezer-also.livejournal.com
Wasn't that what happened in Waco? Altho I guess it was the ATF, but still.
(serious question, because I confess to being a bit confused)

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Date: 8/4/10 00:51 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geezer-also.livejournal.com
OK, (I did a little research, to refresh my mind) it turns out the actual siege was by the FBI, so technically it wasn't a military operation, altho pretty much run like one.

I think my confusion lies in the fact that it seems to me that if this guy is not local, but we deliver a warrant, if he doesn't give up peacefully what is the recourse? I mean if we were to offer him a fair trial and he refuses, he has declared himself an enemy combatant right? (of course, it appears he has declared himself so any way, so it's a moot point) Enemy combatants can be taken out, problem solved. Or am I being too simplistic?

Think about it like this, even if the dude isn't shooting a gun, he is still a combatant, as generals rarely shoot guns, but in war one side does try to take out generals. Now while this isn't a war between countries, but more ideologies, and the combatants come from many different countries, including the U.S. it just seems to me that he doesn't rate a civil trial.

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Date: 8/4/10 01:15 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geezer-also.livejournal.com
Which, given all the circumstances, is where I come down on this. Altho it does bother me a little.

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Date: 8/4/10 05:39 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ryder-p-moses.livejournal.com
Noncompliant armed criminals are arrested every day.

Every day.

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Date: 9/4/10 01:17 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geezer-also.livejournal.com
And sometimes they are shot, or shoot cops. But I guess I see your point.

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