[identity profile] thies.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
Using the constitution as toilet paper - again. The Obama administration authorized the killing of Anwar al-Awlaki who holds US citizenship. There is some nefarious precedent being created by allowing the President to order the killing of American citizens, regardless of their alleged crimes, without granting them their 5th Amendment rights. Bush with his renditions, and the implications of the Patriot Act was bad enough, but ordering a US citizen to be assassinated as Obama now did takes it to a whole new level. I bet Stalin would be proud of Barry Soetoro. Anyone want to wager which other parts of the constitution will be considered void by Obama until he gets kicked out of the white house?

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Date: 7/4/10 17:30 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
Random? The guy has been behind two major terrorist plots in the U.S. You're full of it today.

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Date: 7/4/10 17:37 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
And, it looks like he's been a major player in Al-Q since before Bush took office.

*If* he was captured, it would be great for him to go to trial, but he is definitely a primary target in a war against Al-Q. To pretend he's just some guy is silly and I'm beginning to think willfully ignorant, willfully because it lets you criticize Obama, so you'll just let go all actual information go.

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Date: 7/4/10 17:52 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
Good luck with that, Buckwheat. Ever wondered what sort of extradition treaty we have with Yemen? We don't.

So the only way to bring him to trial would involve sending in an extraction team and risking multiple lives. If he were in Iowa, I'm guessing they wouldn't be resorting to assassination.

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Date: 7/4/10 18:27 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
Basic comprehension fail: rendition is about SENDING people somewhere else, in modern context it would represent outsourcing of torture.

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Date: 8/4/10 17:18 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
How many trials have we held?

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Date: 8/4/10 17:49 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
So you probably shouldn't mention trials until we can get around to holding more than one or two... speaking of the Constitution, I'm guessing the whole part about holding people indefinitely without charges probably isn't in there.

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Date: 7/4/10 20:36 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] penguin42.livejournal.com
how do we take him into custody if he's in a country we have no extradition treaty with?
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Date: 7/4/10 23:20 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geezer-also.livejournal.com
I'm thinking even at the high cost of drones, it's cheaper than a trial.

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Date: 9/4/10 00:35 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geezer-also.livejournal.com
What do you expect? I'm a conservative.

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Date: 10/4/10 00:02 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
Conservatives are not morally bankrupt.

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Date: 10/4/10 01:05 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geezer-also.livejournal.com
Well, I would agree with you, however how do you explain the large number of conservatives that support the idea of drones?

Honestly, I'm not sure you (nor I) can make such a sweeping generalization like _________ are not morally bankrupt, or __________are immoral people.

Let's grant that my statements were at their core, flippant, partially because I took your statement that sending a drone to take out this guy was immoral and extrapolated to infer that you felt anyone who believed that was immoral, therefore I am immoral. I may be wrong, but as a generalization, immoral, not a chance, at least not as I think of morallity.

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Date: 10/4/10 02:36 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
They aren't logically consistent.

Yes, I would consider anyone who supports preemptive strikes and political assassinations to be morally inferior. They are also not following (or understanding) the Constitution.

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Date: 8/4/10 05:44 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ryder-p-moses.livejournal.com
Is this the fuckton of shit we recieved for extrajudicially dissapearing people because we couldn't demonstrate they'd done anything wrong in a court of law but some guy said they were bad guys no honest? Or are you talking about some other fuckton of shit?

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