Out of touch, eh?

[ddstory.livejournal.com]

It's curious how Meryl Streep's speech (a giant in the profession of acting), which mostly dealt with not-so-overtly political issues, as much as it was calling for empathy and civic vigilance in the upcoming Trump era, was massively denounced (because, you see, an actress has dared to speak of something beyond the latest Gucci outfit, the pearl necklaces of the celebrities, Kim's fake ass, or on some rare occasions, the creative process in cinema in the best case)... And Leo DiCaprio (admittedly an underrated actor, but hardly of Mrs Streep's caliber even in the best case estimations) receives emphatic pats on the back and massive admiration merely for making 40 years of age and having assumed the role of some sort of Al Gore v.2.0? Am I the only one to sense double standard here?

The way I'm reading this, because Leo has a penis this gives him much greater leeway; hell, Robert DeNiro had a boorish statement about Trump, and he wasn't scolded even remotely as harshly as Madonna was. In 2003, Sean Penn gave a rambling speech about the fake WMDs at the Oscars, but again no one decided an actor has no right to use that tribune to flount their political biases. But when an actual actress even hints at a political commentary - Vanessa Redgrave for instance - everyone instantly dogpiles her, hastening to point a finger and put her in her place.

Because, you see, Leo DiCaprio who's been waving his beer belly flanked by an entourage of 18 y.o. wannabe starlets, cannot be declared out-of-touch, but Meryl Streep, Susan Sarandon and Vanessa Redgrave suddenly live in their "Hollywood bubble" and don't know shit about the problems of the regular Joe from Iowa? Please.

On a side note:
2012 Trump: Meryl Streep is one of my favorite actresses!
2017 Trump: Meryl Streep is one of the most overrated actresses!

Sounds just like,
2012 Trump: The Electoral College is a disaster for democracy!
2017 Trump: I won so big OMG LOL!

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[dreamville-bg.livejournal.com]

Don't know about out of touch, but someone's been hypocritical here, and surprisingly, it's not Trump:

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[unnamed525.livejournal.com]

Those are women who are in control of their own sexuality, unlike Trump's "grab 'em by the pussy" position, with relegates women to sexual objects for his gratification.

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[dreamville-bg.livejournal.com]

And they've worked so hard to elevate women's stature in society.

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[dexeron.livejournal.com]

I think this is a bit of a strawman. It assumes that their vote was based on Trump "degrading the image of women in society," when it's far more likely that their vote was based on the possible harmful policies that Trump is likely to initiate.

It also assumes that what they are doing is "degrading" the image of women in society. That's an opinion, perhaps a widely held one, but only an opinion. Many believe that what they have done (reclaiming sexuality as something in a woman's control, rather than controlled by a father and then later a husband) has only enhanced the "image" of women in society.

Really, the image is about stoking a puritanical outrage that never really died in America in order to downplay the real concerns of words and policies that are potentially ruinous, especially to women. Trump's signing of an anti-abortion executive order almost immediately after assuming the office lends some credence to such concerns, and Madonna's parading her own sexuality (for whatever reason) doesn't mean she isn't allowed to be concerned about that.

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[johnny9fingers.livejournal.com]

Or even just allowing folk the choice to be sexually overt or even explicit in a context of their choice, rather than at the small hands of someone who thinks it is ok to assault women when the inclination comes upon him regardless of the other persons opinion or bodily integrity.

Basically female lewdness is worse than male sexual assault.

Everyone who believes that needs a bit of a horsewhipping. In public.

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[dreamville-bg.livejournal.com]

"Likely", "possibly" and "is going to". Those are a lot of if-s.

How has behaving like a slut "enhanced" the image of women in society, pray tell?

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[mahnmut.livejournal.com]

Those damned liburls and their damned moral relativism!

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[dreamville-bg.livejournal.com]

What can I say. It's always amusing to witness Hollywood bemoaning privilege and discrimination.

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[foolsguinea.livejournal.com]

Madonna is a world treasure, Gaga is the "mother monster" to a million "little monsters," and Miley--Miley was a kooky kid trying to find her way when she did that stupid show--Miley's "Happy Hippie Foundation" project is at least trying to bring a few rays of hope into the world. But hey, you don't want to hear that.

You know what? Even these strumpets are better than Donald Trump.

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[foolsguinea.livejournal.com]

OH MY WORD!!! IS GAGA ACTUALLY MERYL STREEP???

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[dreamville-bg.livejournal.com]

Thank goodness, she isn't. Which is why you won't hear a word of criticism from me about her.

Madonna, on the other hand...

[mahnmut.livejournal.com]

Ah. The electoral college. The eternal scapegoat in an otherwise pretty fucked-up political system.

[nairiporter.livejournal.com]

The way I'm reading this, because Leo has a penis this gives him much greater leeway

Isn't this a bit overs-simplistic, though? Di Caprio has worked very hard both in the area of environmental activism and philanthropy for most of the last two decades. Let's not dismiss his contributions so easily.

[luvdovz.livejournal.com]

Let's see how Hollywood treats the likes of Zoe Saldana who've had a somewhat different opinion about Trump (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/zoe-saldana-explains-why-shes-placing-her-faith-in-donald-trump_us_587fe3f8e4b04b69667e3a85) from the predominant one.

Zoe Saldana said Trump won because Hollywood 'became bullies' (http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/01/16/zoe-saldana-said-trump-won-because-hollywood-became-bullies.html)

Might she be having a point? And would anyone heed what she has to say? And as a by-question, how close to an award nomination could she expect to ever get from now on?

[dreamville-bg.livejournal.com]

All good questions. Speaking of politics and Oscars nominations, it's remarkable that Di Caprio got "emphatic pats on the back" from a community he had long criticized for being biased against guys like him, and denying him the acknowledgement he deserved because of (mostly ethnic) prejudice.

[ddstory.livejournal.com]

So they're not the monsters he imagined them to be? What a surprise.

[airiefairie.livejournal.com]

If she keeps acting in Marvel comics, none.

[luzribeiro.livejournal.com]

First-World problems, duh.

[mahnmut.livejournal.com]

That, too.

[airiefairie.livejournal.com]

The one thing I disagree about is that DiCaprio is not of the same calibre like Meryl Streep.

[garote]

Susan Sarandon is a great woman, but she's said some pretty out-of-touch things in the media lately. There are reasons why she's on this short list.

Steep's celebrity awards shaming is still pretty tame compared to the roasting everyone gave Michael Moore -- and his remarks were delivered straight and serious, instead of arch and vaguely condescending. He continued speaking even as he was booed in the room, until the network cut to commercial. ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7Is43K6lrg ) The outcry was enormous, and it altered the course of his career. Add that to your list.

Also, why the hate for DiCaprio? I'll agree he's got very limited range as an actor - he's played basically one character for about the last 15 years - but if he's Al Gore 2.0 that's pretty freaking great.

[ddstory.livejournal.com]

Don't know about "hate", but DiCaprio sure seems like way over-rated to me (even despite his shortage of Oscars over the years).

he's got very limited range as an actor - he's played basically one character for about the last 15 years

There you go. Well granted, one could say the same about most Hollywood actors (Jim Carrey, Nicholas Cage and all those action figurines come to mind) - but those aren't expected to get Oscars, are they. ;)

Being Al Gore v.2.0 is great because Al Gore himself is great. Not because being v.2.0 to anything is.

[policraticus.livejournal.com]

Most of the criticism of Streep was for her smug, condescending elitism, from what I recall. Also, the insane notion that cracking down on illegal immigration would lead to the summary deportation of Daniel Day Lewis. Also, it is hard to preach from a moral high horse regarding women's right to her bodily integrity when you've been captured on camera enthusiastically cheering Roman Polanski.

FWIW, I think DiCaprio, Penn and Dinero have had plenty of criticism leveled at them. DiCaprio, especially, for jetting around the globe in his private plane decrying the use of fossil fuel. Penn has been routinely lambasted for being a fanboy for Hugo Chavez and a vocal proponent of Chavismo... how is that working out, Sean? But they are men and therefore don't have access to the misogyny card.

[liveonearth.livejournal.com]

No shit, DD. You nailed it. What's even more fascinating is how little the males in our culture are even able to observe this. It's just normal to them.

[debunkgpolitics.livejournal.com]

The points about Madonna, Cyrus, and Gaga contradicting themselves are clever. Ms. Streep acted in a similar vein. During her recent speech, she accused Pres. Trump of mocking the disabled reporter but never expressed outrage over four people in Chicago torturing a man with disabilities.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV8tsnRFUZw