[identity profile] nairiporter.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
All politicians lie. Some lie more than others. And since we're about populism and demagoguery in politics (quite a timely monthly topic indeed), let's see who are the most lying politicians, particularly presidential candidates, as per the FactCheck and other similar aggregates. What does the Truth-O-Meter have to say?

Source one.

As expected, Trump's pants are on fire big time. 60.13% of his statements have been false, 2.53% true. Throughout his entire campaign! Hillary ranks 13.33% and 13.33%, respectively.

Looking beyond the two nominees, Source two.



And Source three.

As for the question if the current two candidates are the biggest liars ever to run for president, here's an interesting read. I think the most important part is the very last paragraph:

"Telling the truth matters, even in politics. But we should remember that today, as at other points in our past, charges of lying often arise not out of sober concern for the sanctity of our public discourse, but as a way to score quick and wounding points in the partisan joust that is American democracy."

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Date: 15/10/16 15:39 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oportet.livejournal.com
To answer your question - yes! I think most would. Change 'couple grand' to 'couple million' and your chances get even better.

Do you think millions of dollars have no influence on their findings? Even if you like her and are voting for her - don't you think putting her on a MOST HONEST list is just a litttttttttle bit of a reach?

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Date: 15/10/16 15:43 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paft.livejournal.com
Out of reach? No, not given the people with whom she is being compared.

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Date: 15/10/16 18:30 (UTC)
garote: (machine)
From: [personal profile] garote
A littttttttle bit of a reach? Well, I'd agree that this list has been cherry-picked to show the worst of popular Republicans and the best of popular Democrats. But no, I don't think "27% lies" is a reach at all. Why do you?

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Date: 15/10/16 19:45 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oportet.livejournal.com
I wasn't thinking of the subjects on the chart as being cherry-picked. It's the 'Most Honest', and she's 8th on the list - I was interpreting that as her being the 8th most honest politician.

If you click on the source, they present it that way also. Also, the second source gets its info from the first source - so let's just look at the first source - maybe some of Hillary's claims they've rated as TRUE....


Muslims have been in America since George Washington - TRUE

Paul Ryan is still endorsing Trump - TRUE


If they're giving her a score based on the statements they 'investigate' and rate, don't you think claims like that - claims that as far as I can tell no one was disputing - inflate her honesty rating?

Today is Saturday. <---After reading that claim I just made, do you trust me more?

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Date: 15/10/16 20:25 (UTC)
garote: (machine)
From: [personal profile] garote
You are really on point with this!
I never believed that this was an exhaustive list. That they're presenting it as such is pretty ridiculous; I agree. But we were arguing about whether this organization deliberately inflated Hillary's score relative to the others in exchange for money. I don't buy that (pun intended). Quite simply because damning with faint praise is not the kind of endorsement anyone would agree to pay for.

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