Ukraine - civil war

[ivankon.livejournal.com]

Video from Mariupol (Eastern Ukraine)
WARNING: Very Bloody! Remove children away before view!

Screams: "Fascists! Get out of here! Heroes! (with contempt)"

Situation. Soldiers from Western Ukraine went to Eastern Ukraine town with "anti-terrorist operation", "to free people". You can see how "joyful" people meets them. Soldiers killed drunken man lifted his arm with camp-chair towards them, wounded 2 or 3 unarmed people and possible cause heart attack of old-timer. Oh, such terrorists... or secret agents of Putin, year. After next wounded man has fallen crowd shouts and other man (see 2:11) shooting from behind of crowd towards recessive soldiers. This single person who may be in theory terrorist or at least delinquent was just ignored by both soldiers and crowd (because pneumatic gun?).

So... you should not trust to me, just see (do not forget remove children and may be wives too!)

Those soldiers as says were hired by oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskyi from the extreme nationalistic part of activists of Maidan (therefore crowd screaming "Fascists"). I.e. this is not regular army but marginals recently hired to army. Usual regular army very reluctantly participates in such operations. Oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskyi was set appointed to governor seat without any elections after coup d'etat in Kiev. He has reputation of corrupt businessman therefore he is not popular among natives.

Eastern Ukrainians has significantly different history from Western and many years live in one country with distrust to each other. On several last elections of Presidents were either pro-Eastern or pro-Western and other side stayed dissatisfied and felt cheated.

Comments

[luzribeiro.livejournal.com]

Great! Better late than never. Perhaps he's starting to learn that taking rash stances like on Crimea is more of a detriment to his later diplomatic flexibility...

...or not.

Can't help noticing that his condemnation of anything Russia does is rather swift, whereas it tends to take him up to a week to form even the most trivial of a statement when the situation doesn't suit him. But like I said, better late than never.

[mikeyxw.livejournal.com]

Huh? I didn't think his condemnation about the Crimea was all that swift and was more underwhelming than rash. When the US unveiled our "sanctions" the Russian stock market gained almost 4%.

[luzribeiro.livejournal.com]

Huh yeah, and then the Ruble collapsed from 40 for a euro to 50.

Let's not fool ourselves here. The Western leaders were pretty swift in taking sides on Crimea. Now they seem oddly hesitant on Odessa and Mariupol. If you insist on not noticing the inconsistency there, it's on you and all those who've bought into the official narrative of the Western governments and media.

[mikeyxw.livejournal.com]

Western governments certainly have had a different response to the two, but then one involved a foreign army occupying then annexing some territory while the other was a domestic mob killing their countrymen in something that is getting close to a civil war. I guess I just don't expect that there should be consistency between the two.

[luzribeiro.livejournal.com]

a domestic mob killing their countrymen

Really? Is that how the Ukrainian military shooting unarmed protesters on the streets of Mariupol has been interpreted as, by your unbiased media? Hell, the footage has been displayed in this very post, by the OP themselves! A "mob"? Seriously?

Western governments certainly have had a different response to the two

Precisely. And for a reason.

[mikeyxw.livejournal.com]

The mob I was referring to was the one in Odessa.