Ukraine - civil war
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talkpoliticsVideo from Mariupol (Eastern Ukraine)
WARNING: Very Bloody! Remove children away before view!
Screams: "Fascists! Get out of here! Heroes! (with contempt)"
Situation. Soldiers from Western Ukraine went to Eastern Ukraine town with "anti-terrorist operation", "to free people". You can see how "joyful" people meets them. Soldiers killed drunken man lifted his arm with camp-chair towards them, wounded 2 or 3 unarmed people and possible cause heart attack of old-timer. Oh, such terrorists... or secret agents of Putin, year. After next wounded man has fallen crowd shouts and other man (see 2:11) shooting from behind of crowd towards recessive soldiers. This single person who may be in theory terrorist or at least delinquent was just ignored by both soldiers and crowd (because pneumatic gun?).
So... you should not trust to me, just see (do not forget remove children and may be wives too!)
Those soldiers as says were hired by oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskyi from the extreme nationalistic part of activists of Maidan (therefore crowd screaming "Fascists"). I.e. this is not regular army but marginals recently hired to army. Usual regular army very reluctantly participates in such operations. Oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskyi was set appointed to governor seat without any elections after coup d'etat in Kiev. He has reputation of corrupt businessman therefore he is not popular among natives.
Eastern Ukrainians has significantly different history from Western and many years live in one country with distrust to each other. On several last elections of Presidents were either pro-Eastern or pro-Western and other side stayed dissatisfied and felt cheated.
WARNING: Very Bloody! Remove children away before view!
Screams: "Fascists! Get out of here! Heroes! (with contempt)"
Situation. Soldiers from Western Ukraine went to Eastern Ukraine town with "anti-terrorist operation", "to free people". You can see how "joyful" people meets them. Soldiers killed drunken man lifted his arm with camp-chair towards them, wounded 2 or 3 unarmed people and possible cause heart attack of old-timer. Oh, such terrorists... or secret agents of Putin, year. After next wounded man has fallen crowd shouts and other man (see 2:11) shooting from behind of crowd towards recessive soldiers. This single person who may be in theory terrorist or at least delinquent was just ignored by both soldiers and crowd (because pneumatic gun?).
So... you should not trust to me, just see (do not forget remove children and may be wives too!)
Those soldiers as says were hired by oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskyi from the extreme nationalistic part of activists of Maidan (therefore crowd screaming "Fascists"). I.e. this is not regular army but marginals recently hired to army. Usual regular army very reluctantly participates in such operations. Oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskyi was set appointed to governor seat without any elections after coup d'etat in Kiev. He has reputation of corrupt businessman therefore he is not popular among natives.
Eastern Ukrainians has significantly different history from Western and many years live in one country with distrust to each other. On several last elections of Presidents were either pro-Eastern or pro-Western and other side stayed dissatisfied and felt cheated.
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Date: 10/5/14 00:55 (UTC)"Putin Denies Sending Russian Troops to Crimea"
http://en.ria.ru/russia/20140304/188087074/Putin-Denies-Sending-Russian-Troops-to-Crimea.html
"Putin admits Russian forces were deployed to Crimea"
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/04/17/russia-putin-crimea-idUKL6N0N921H20140417
Enough said!
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Date: 10/5/14 01:17 (UTC)http://www.bbc.com/news/world-27332300
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Date: 10/5/14 01:23 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 10/5/14 01:32 (UTC)http://time.com/74405/exclusive-pro-russian-separatists-eastern-ukraine/
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Date: 10/5/14 01:49 (UTC)You should read couple more lines from this article.
The guy, that they firs called "local", Mozhaev, turned out to be Russian Military Intelligence Serviceman.
Do you have more examples of "local rebels"?
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Date: 10/5/14 01:58 (UTC)A Russian military intelligence serviceman with a beard!
(no subject)
Date: 10/5/14 02:06 (UTC)He is from Russia, and as Putin said famously: "Every Russian can buy uniform, Kalashnikov machine-gun, RPG and tank in any grocery store in Russia and come to fight in Ukraine" Of course he is "local rebel".
" According to his passport, which he showed to TIME, Mozhaev hails from the town of Belorechensk in the southern Russian region of Krasnodar, the traditional stomping ground of the Cossacks, the warrior clan into which he was born."
http://time.com/74405/exclusive-pro-russian-separatists-eastern-ukraine/
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Date: 10/5/14 02:17 (UTC)Here is another article that discusses whether Russian special forces are engaged in Ukraine:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/22/-sp-does-us-evidence-prove-russian-special-forces-are-in-eastern-ukraine
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Date: 10/5/14 06:05 (UTC)