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So not only has a man who was a source in the story that broke this program eight years ago come forward, he's noted that the Government was spying on a then-state Senator who now has his residential address at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. I do wonder if Obama was the only Democratic state senator the Government was spying on at the time. I also wonder whether or not the people who consider it a good thing to have the government illegally snooping would excuse it in this case, and how many people who approve of it in the name of security will consider the Feds spying on state senators to be justifiable in the name of security.
Personally, this kind of thing is why I think that the real issue all along was illegal spying on people. Nothing says that the government ever spies only on who it admits to spying on. Spies lie all the time. It's part of the business. There's sensible paranoia, and there's the 'Lizardmen are sending radio waves into my brain' variety. Sensible paranoia is to assume that people who snoop for a living never tell you the truth when they admit to who they're spying on. After all, you can bet their fellow intelligence agencies don't believe a word of it. I also think that this is just a sign of business as usual. The government has tended to spy on black people more continuously than it does on white people.
So not only has a man who was a source in the story that broke this program eight years ago come forward, he's noted that the Government was spying on a then-state Senator who now has his residential address at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. I do wonder if Obama was the only Democratic state senator the Government was spying on at the time. I also wonder whether or not the people who consider it a good thing to have the government illegally snooping would excuse it in this case, and how many people who approve of it in the name of security will consider the Feds spying on state senators to be justifiable in the name of security.
Personally, this kind of thing is why I think that the real issue all along was illegal spying on people. Nothing says that the government ever spies only on who it admits to spying on. Spies lie all the time. It's part of the business. There's sensible paranoia, and there's the 'Lizardmen are sending radio waves into my brain' variety. Sensible paranoia is to assume that people who snoop for a living never tell you the truth when they admit to who they're spying on. After all, you can bet their fellow intelligence agencies don't believe a word of it. I also think that this is just a sign of business as usual. The government has tended to spy on black people more continuously than it does on white people.
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Date: 24/6/13 16:37 (UTC)Material? You're the one who needs new material.
Thanks for your CONCERN, tho. It's nice to know that you're CONCERNED about it.
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Date: 24/6/13 16:40 (UTC)You sure are CONCERNED about covering for your team. Why?
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Date: 24/6/13 20:29 (UTC)I can't think of a single reason. It must be because he's black!!!
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Date: 24/6/13 20:38 (UTC)"This Administration also puts forward a false choice between the liberties we cherish and the security we demand… That means no more illegal wire-tapping of American citizens. No more national security letters to spy on citizens who are not suspected of a crime. No more tracking citizens who do nothing more than protest a misguided war. No more ignoring the law when it is inconvenient. That is not who we are. And it is not what is necessary to defeat the terrorists… We will again set an example for the world that the law is not subject to the whims of stubborn rulers, and that justice is not arbitrary."
It was that racist Barack Obama!
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Date: 24/6/13 21:04 (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 24/6/13 23:28 (UTC)And besides, when you scream like a little girl when Obama wins... ya, your bias is showing.
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Date: 25/6/13 00:21 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 24/6/13 21:10 (UTC)I totally pulled for Obama to beat that terrible man. That doesn't make him good enough, or worthy of my vote.
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Date: 25/6/13 14:49 (UTC)That being said, many republicans who were find with it under Bush have huge problems because it's Obama, and there's not a lot of question why.
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