Oh dear:

23/6/13 20:08
[identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/20/russ-tice-nsa-obama_n_3473538.html?view=print&comm_ref=false

So not only has a man who was a source in the story that broke this program eight years ago come forward, he's noted that the Government was spying on a then-state Senator who now has his residential address at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. I do wonder if Obama was the only Democratic state senator the Government was spying on at the time. I also wonder whether or not the people who consider it a good thing to have the government illegally snooping would excuse it in this case, and how many people who approve of it in the name of security will consider the Feds spying on state senators to be justifiable in the name of security.

Personally, this kind of thing is why I think that the real issue all along was illegal spying on people. Nothing says that the government ever spies only on who it admits to spying on. Spies lie all the time. It's part of the business. There's sensible paranoia, and there's the 'Lizardmen are sending radio waves into my brain' variety. Sensible paranoia is to assume that people who snoop for a living never tell you the truth when they admit to who they're spying on. After all, you can bet their fellow intelligence agencies don't believe a word of it. I also think that this is just a sign of business as usual. The government has tended to spy on black people more continuously than it does on white people.

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Date: 24/6/13 17:40 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
That's a problem with your perception, not my participation.

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Date: 24/6/13 19:32 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 404.livejournal.com
Naturally, your constant cheerleading of Obama and insinuations of those who oppose his policies are latently racist is all in my mind. Sure.

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Date: 24/6/13 20:29 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] notmrgarrison.livejournal.com
What other reason would republicans have for opposing Obama?
I can't think of a single reason. It must be because he's black!!!

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Date: 24/6/13 20:38 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 404.livejournal.com
Clearly the ACLU, NetRoots Nation members, and Democrat reps are all secretly racist Rethuglicans for their denunciation of Obama. Guess who said this:

"This Administration also puts forward a false choice between the liberties we cherish and the security we demand… That means no more illegal wire-tapping of American citizens. No more national security letters to spy on citizens who are not suspected of a crime. No more tracking citizens who do nothing more than protest a misguided war. No more ignoring the law when it is inconvenient. That is not who we are. And it is not what is necessary to defeat the terrorists… We will again set an example for the world that the law is not subject to the whims of stubborn rulers, and that justice is not arbitrary."

It was that racist Barack Obama!

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Date: 25/6/13 06:27 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whoasksfinds.livejournal.com
dwer didn't vote for obama. he must be a racist too!

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Date: 25/6/13 13:54 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cheezyfish.livejournal.com
When it doesn't vote for the duck... it probably hates ducks

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Date: 24/6/13 20:44 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
clearly, your delusions are far greater than even I suspected.

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Date: 24/6/13 21:00 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
at least you can recognize it. There's still time to get help.

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Date: 24/6/13 21:07 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 404.livejournal.com
If only you had been around earlier; my ignorance could have been corrected before it metastasized into delusion.

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Date: 24/6/13 21:09 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
it really is too bad. Next time, I'll try to be more aware of your issues, so I can help you better.

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Date: 24/6/13 21:16 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
No, but as a liberal, I recognize how important it is that we assist the less fortunate in life.

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Date: 24/6/13 21:32 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 404.livejournal.com
Saintly and unassuming!

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Date: 24/6/13 21:34 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
Just the way I am.

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