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This is Ye Shiwen, one of the many Chinese wonder-kids. As of Thursday, she has already won 2 gold medals in swimming on the Olympics. She is 16 years old, and indeed a true prodigy.

Her performance has been stunning. She keeps putting one world record after another, and makes it look too easy. In one of the races she even beat the scores of some of the men in the respective disciplines, including Michael Phelps.

Naturally, rumours started creeping in about the Chinese manipulating the doping tests, but Ye and her team adamantly deny all accusations.

What is the truth, actually? Well, if we look closer, we would begin to realise that Ye Shiwen and the other Chinese athletes in London are the end result of a long and very tough work in Chinese sports, involving the athletes themselves, hordes of trainers and the whole team that contributed to their development and preparation. It all began long before the years prior to the Beijing Olympics, and the Chinese are continuing to pick the fruits of that work today.

But if we look even further back, we would see that it started even earlier. In the 80s actually, when the communist regime in China decided to stop the long years of humiliation of their sports teams at any cost, and to breed a new generation of champions from scratch. And if we are looking for someone who has brought long-term thinking to perfection, it must be the Chinese.

For this purpose the orders came from the highest places, instructing all teachers (including those in the elementary schools) to pressure their pupils to the brink, and make them take an active participation in all sorts of sports events, so they could demonstrate their physical talents and capabilities from a very early age.

This probably reminds some of us of the "Tiger Moms" debate which was a broadly discussed question among the US public about a year and a half ago. Ye's mother once said in an interview that her daughter had shown an inclination for swimming from the age of 7. In fact she was picked because she had an unusually "male" stature, with extraordinarily large arms and long legs - all indications of a potentially great swimming athlete.

The little Ye was immediately separated from her family and sent to a sports camp in Chen Jingluin. The experts decided she was most suited for swimming, and they took responsibility for her preparation. At 11 she was already able to win the youth championship of her country.

In swimming, like in most Olympic sports, the training regime in countries like China is so cruel and harsh that some Western experts go as far as to compare it to the prison system in the 19th century. Children of an age that would pass for too young in most Western countries, are already subject to heavy professional training, separated from their families and fostered in special sports camps. They are made to train so hard that they would often spend sleepless nights crying from exhaustion, and beatings by the trainers are not a rarity either.

Recently some pictures of kids living in those conditions in such sports schools surfaced in the media, and it was clearly visible that they were literally being tortured in order to squeeze the best result out of them.

The pictures are profoundly disturbing.

And this is not all. Brainwashing the young future champions is also an essential part of the Chinese state-run sports project. The little athletes are taught to believe that the very mission of their life is to "beat the Americans", as well as everybody else who would dare to contest their claim to the highest step on the Olympic pedestal.

The youngsters are taught from an early age to give quick and short answers to media questions, although the young generation of Olympic athletes are seemingly more talkative than before, probably because of the more frequent contacts with the Western media. And the Internet, of course.

One of Ye's team-mates even had the audacity to confess that she preferred the far more liberal and laid-back training regime in Australia, where she had had the chance to do some of her training before the Olympics, which was much better than the harsh guidance of her demanding trainers back in China.

Recently some other Chinese athletes also commented how they had been so pre-programmed in the sports camps, that they were hardly able to look after themselves and sort out their life, once their short professional sports career was over. They have difficulties finding a job and integrating in society, as they have irretrievably lost an essential part of their social development in the years spent imprisoned within the Chinese sports system.

Meanwhile, what the public mostly sees on the surface is the tons of gold they keep winning, and what they will remember forever is the pomposity of the Beijing opening ceremony, 4 years ago. And praise how unforgettable it was, and how no other Olympics would ever be able to "beat it". How all those amateur actors had been prepared for the spectacle, is yet another question that, sadly, remained largely ignored.

(no subject)

Date: 6/8/12 19:48 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] auntiesiannan.livejournal.com
Well, you give whatever pseudoscience you follow way too much credit, so it all evens out in the end.

(no subject)

Date: 7/8/12 15:28 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
I am sorry that you feel that your own favorite pseudoscience is the cat's pajamas. The nice thing about myths is that it feels so much better after outgrowing them.

(no subject)

Date: 7/8/12 18:18 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] auntiesiannan.livejournal.com
My favorite? Myths? You're projecting.

(no subject)

Date: 8/8/12 15:53 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
I am not sure what you mean by "projecting." That makes me think that you and I probably have different definitions for the word "science." What is it about doping up kids rather than allowing them to grow up naturally that you consider to be "scientific?" Is it like the "scientific" use of pesticides and herbicides on farms rather than the "magical" practice of organic farming?

(no subject)

Date: 8/8/12 22:52 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] auntiesiannan.livejournal.com
More projecting of your prejudices.

(no subject)

Date: 9/8/12 15:32 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
Does that mean that you refuse to share your definition of science?

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Date: 9/8/12 21:30 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] auntiesiannan.livejournal.com
Science is fact. You are entitled to your opinions, but not your own facts. Science will trundle along nicely regardless of your thoughts.

Most children with clinically diagnosed ADHD do not want to behave like hyperactive howler monkeys. They are frustrated with their physical inability to control themselves regardless of the situation they might find themselves in. if prescribed doses of Adderall, Ritalin, or some other medication helps them to concentrate and focus on tasks and situations they could not otherwise accomplish, then that is a good thing.

The brain is an organ. So is the pancreas. Diabetics sometimes have to take insulin because their pancreas does not function properly. I, along with many others, take a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor because my brain chemistry does not function properly. When my brain chemistry does not function properly. I do not function properly. I experience leaden fatigue and depression that I wouldn't wish on anyone. Over a decade of non-chemical therapies were no help; and I was made to feel that something was wrong with me for not succeeding with them.

Psychiatric care helped me where everything else failed. That is a fact. I am far from the only one. Every time you dismiss it, it pisses me right the fuck off, but I think you get off on that. Perhaps that's your therapy. But at least mine doesn't require angering anyone else who doesn't choose to get involved.

(no subject)

Date: 12/8/12 20:18 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
You should not judge the entire profession of psychiatry based on your own experience. There are plenty of people who have suffered from psychiatric abuse. That is the kind of fact with which you are uncomfortable. You take drugs by your own volition. That is not something that can be said about people who have been forced to take them unwillingly. I am happy for you that SSRIs help you. Do not let that cause you to ignore the people who have been hurt by them. Speed does help people to focus, but it can also cause some long term damage. The diabetes analogy is a marketing scam that enables pharmaceutical manufacturers to sell more drugs than they would otherwise. There is a science to marketing with which you may not be fully acquainted.

(no subject)

Date: 13/8/12 00:28 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] auntiesiannan.livejournal.com
I have tried very hard to not discount you as smug and delusional, as so many others in this community have done and advised me to do the same.

I have failed in that endeavor. That onus is on me.

(no subject)

Date: 13/8/12 15:14 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
Life is much more bearable with one's head buried in the sand.

(no subject)

Date: 13/8/12 15:55 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
Since childhood I have been amazed by all of the heads I see stuck in the sand. Yes, I would know.

(no subject)

Date: 13/8/12 15:56 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] auntiesiannan.livejournal.com
Get out of the ostrich pen, then. More people have been helped by modern medicine than you claim have been harmed.

(no subject)

Date: 13/8/12 16:10 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
I will not deny that. However, unlike apathetic ostriches, I will work to reduce the number harmed even further.

(no subject)

Date: 13/8/12 16:15 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] auntiesiannan.livejournal.com
Meanwhile you don't seem to realize how off-putting and insulting you come across. Who are you helping here besides your ego?

(no subject)

Date: 13/8/12 16:20 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
I have received adequate positive responses to my remarks to know that I have been helpful to people. I realize it may come across as an egotistical observation. So be it.

(no subject)

Date: 13/8/12 16:24 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] auntiesiannan.livejournal.com
Consider their source, if you can put your smugness aside long enough to do so.

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