George Zimmerman is a God Warrior!

[rowsdowerisms.livejournal.com]

A few new details have come out in the case of George Zimmerman that I think ought to be brought to light in this community.





For one, Zimmerman and his lovely wife commmitted perjury!

This is particularly relevant as it shows a. a disrespect for the law, and b. George Zimmerman is perfectly happy lying when it suits his needs. Given that he is the sole witness to the murder that should cast some serious doubts on his inconsistent story!

Or is he the only witness?

Then of course is the revelation that Zimmerman sexually assaulted his cousin for more than a decade. Why is a sexual assault relevant to Zimmerman's second degree murder charge? Amanda Marcotte of Slate puts it well;

"In fact, accusations like these are completely relevant for two major reasons. The first is that, as feminists have been saying for decades now, sexual assault isn't really just a matter of someone's horniness overtaking him and causing him to pig out on a woman's body as if he hasn't eaten all day and she's a piece of cake shoved in front of him. Sexual abuse is a form of bullying, a violent crime whose pleasure for the attacker is far more about enjoying their power and dominance over the victim than it is about sexual urges. Subsequently, sexually violent men tend to be more violent generally, particularly against people they believe are lesser or weaker. If you're trying to establish that Zimmerman had it in him to hunt down and murder a teenager who is much smaller than himself, than a history of sexual assault does help demonstrate this.

Also: A lot of the prosecution's case depends on establishing whether or not Zimmerman is a glib liar who is capable of viciously attacking people and then playing the innocent "who me?" card while insinuating that the victim was asking for it. Pretty much all men who sexually assault women have developed an ability to do this; part of the routine of a rapist is terrifying and hurting someone only to convince the community to embrace him after the fact and write off the victim as hysterical, a liar, or a slut trying to cover her tracks. We know that most sexual assailants are repeat offenders—indeed, this is what the accuser in this case is claiming of Zimmerman—which means they have a lot of opportunities to practice playing innocent and blaming the victim after they've committed the crime. If the prosecution wants to establish that Zimmerman is the kind of guy who is capable of assaulting and even murdering someone and then playing innocent victim, a history of cutting his teeth as a sexual assailant helps establish that narrative."

Oh and his cousin also claims that his entire family has a bit of a problem with the blacks! Surely that will help out if there is to be a federal hate crime charge and conviction

Of course Zimmerman doth protest

How has the latest information affected your opinion in the case? Is any of this new information relevant in your mind to the case? Was Trayvon Martin's murder all part of God's plan???

Comments

[dexeron.livejournal.com]

Didn't you hear? What happened between Zimmerman and Treyvon was all part of "God's plan". So it's all ok, or something.

God hates Skittles, or something.

[rowsdowerisms.livejournal.com]

Trayvon was just "dark-sided"

[sophia-sadek.livejournal.com]

And I thought it was the ice tea.

[malasadas.livejournal.com]

I'm going to go fold my laundry, go out for a slice of pizza and come back to find this post has 200 replies already, aren't I?

[rowsdowerisms.livejournal.com]

Sexual assault, racism, the second amendment, and Fox News should be good for at least that.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Today I learned that accusations and charges are just as good as iron-clad convictions, and that people still don't understand how the religious talk.

For one, Zimmerman and his lovely wife commmitted perjury!

No, his wife was charged (http://articles.cnn.com/2012-06-12/justice/justice_florida-zimmerman-wife_1_account-affidavit-bond?_s=PM:JUSTICE) with perjury, mainly because the prosecution, who've hardly been saints through all of this, believes that she knew how much money was in the fundraising account. We'll see if it sticks.

Then of course is the revelation that Zimmerman sexually assaulted his cousin for more than a decade. Why is a sexual assault relevant to Zimmerman's second degree murder charge? Amanda Marcotte of Slate puts it well;

First, it's not relevant because it literally has nothing to do with the case. And there's no "revelation," it's an accusation, and a fairly convenient one at that.

Oh and his cousin also claims that his entire family has a bit of a problem with the blacks! Surely that will help out if there is to be a federal hate crime charge and conviction

There will be no hate crime charge federally, as the FBI's investigation predictably turned up no evidence of racism (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2012/0712/FBI-report-No-evidence-George-Zimmerman-is-racist). That dog won't be hunting.

How has the latest information affected your opinion in the case? Is any of this new information relevant in your mind to the case? Was Trayvon Martin's murder all part of God's plan???

Seeing as we don't really have any new information in reality? Not much. The preponderance of evidence released to this point fairly well matches Zimmerman's account on the matter, and while I can't rule out a manslaughter charge, I still cannot see how a murder charge of any kind can hold up.

[rowsdowerisms.livejournal.com]

Today I learned that accusations and charges are just as good as iron-clad convictions, and that people still don't understand how the religious talk.

Huh?
No, his wife was charged with perjury, mainly because the prosecution, who've hardly been saints through all of this, believes that she knew how much money was in the fundraising account. We'll see if it sticks.
Committing perjury and being charged with perjury are not mutually exclusive. You forgot that the judge agreed with the prosecution also!

First, it's not relevant because it literally has nothing to do with the case. And there's no "revelation," it's an accusation, and a fairly convenient one at that.

It's completely relevant to George Zimmerman's disposition and power complex. It also fits the definition of revelation.

rev·e·la·tion/ˌrevəˈlāSHən/
Noun:
A surprising and previously unknown fact, esp. one made in a dramatic way.
The making known of a secret or the unknown.

Isn't it convenient that facts that fuck with Zimmerman's narrative are always convenient?

There will be no hate crime charge federally, as the FBI's investigation predictably turned up no evidence of racism. That dog won't be hunting.
Predictably? How could you predict that?


Seeing as we don't really have any new information in reality? Not much. The preponderance of evidence released to this point fairly well matches Zimmerman's account on the matter, and while I can't rule out a manslaughter charge, I still cannot see how a murder charge of any kind can hold up.

Is there a confirmation bias tag I can add?

[telemann.livejournal.com]

First, it's not relevant because it literally has nothing to do with the case.

If Zimmerman testifies, his testimony could be challenged because of these allegations, and gets to character. All pertinent in court cases. Happens all the time in court. Sorta like the fact conservatives apparently made a big deal about Trayvon's issues at school means he was a big ole trouble maker, and got what he had coming.

[dexeron.livejournal.com]

people still don't understand how the religious talk

It's less that we misunderstand them, and more that we've lost patience with the moral bankruptcy of the empty platitutdes with which they habitually shirk responsibility.

[lafinjack.livejournal.com]

Today I learned that accusations and charges are just as good as iron-clad convictions...

You're oddly (http://talk-politics.livejournal.com/1491702.html) silent (http://talk-politics.livejournal.com/1488427.html) on this point when it's your side's issue.

[rowsdowerisms.livejournal.com]

Edited:
For some reason this post was showing up twice and I couldn't figure out why you would double post.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

My icon says all that needs to be said about fundamentalists in general.

[peristaltor.livejournal.com]

Ah, the classic Jesus face palm.

[sophia-sadek.livejournal.com]

I doubt that the material Creator of the flat and immobile Earth played any role in the affair.

The latest information does not change my mind about the case. I simply hope that justice will be done in the end. It is not my place to determine whether or not the man is guilty, nor would I want to be put in that position.

[fizzyland.livejournal.com]

The Demiurge was having beers with me on the night in question.

[telemann.livejournal.com]

Ops. Edited, because I meant to reply to BDJ :P

[sophia-sadek.livejournal.com]

You could have simply deleted it.

[paedraggaidin.livejournal.com]

This doesn't change my opinion, which is: none of this stuff has been proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, in a court of law. Hell, we still don't have all the facts from either side, whereas both sides have been pulling various shenanigans since day one.

It's all too easy to come to a quick conclusion of "Zimmerman is a lying racist douchebag who murdered an innocent kid who was peaceably going about his business." He's been convincted in the court of public opinion before *any* evidence has even been formally introduced. I'm withholding judgement until I see the evidence. Oh, and accusations of perjury and sexual abuse are just that: accusations, until backed up by evidence.

It's like the Casey Anthony trial. The almost unanimous public reaction, including among law students who should really know better, boiled down to "everyone knew she did it. Everyone knew she was guilty. The jury was so stupid, how could they let this horrible monster get off scot free, oh that poor little girl, she'll never get justice now, the system is broken, oh that poor little girl!" Rightly or wrongly, the Casey Anthony jury decided that the prosecution's evidence did not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that she killed Caylee. But try explaining that to someone whose reaction to the verdict is stuck on an endless loop of "oh, that poor little girl!" and you're instantly branded as a hateful, mean-spirited misanthrope.

It's no different here, where everyone is pegged to either an endless loop of "Martin was a crazed aggressive thug and Zimmerman rightly feared for his very life when Martin attacked him!" or "Zimmerman is a power-tripping bully who hates black people, and Martin was a pure little angel just out for skittles and a drink!"

Sorry, I don't buy either explanation, because the whole story has not come out yet.

[rowsdowerisms.livejournal.com]

It's all too easy to come to a quick conclusion of "Zimmerman is a lying racist douchebag who murdered an innocent kid who was peaceably going about his business." He's been convincted in the court of public opinion before *any* evidence has even been formally introduced. I'm withholding judgement until I see the evidence. Oh, and accusations of perjury and sexual abuse are just that: accusations, until backed up by evidence.

That is just factually incorrect. Plenty of evidence has been released. How do you think we know about the sexual abuse? It's part of witness 9's testimony. The perjury evidence has also been released including financial forensic analysis and voice recordings of Zimmerman and his wife colluding to hide their new found money. I get that you want to withhold judgement, but I'm asking, given the released information how has your opinion changed, if at all?

There is enough evidence to date released to be able to form some kind of argument that either Martin was wrongly killed by Zimmerman, or that Zimmerman rightly killed Martin.

[sandwichwarrior.livejournal.com]

The generan consensus on most 2nd Ammendment blogs/fora is that Zimmerman is providing a text-book case of "what not to do if involved in a high-profile case".

[rowsdowerisms.livejournal.com]

Yeah Napolitano on Fox today was pretty dumb founded as to why O'Mara is letting Zimmerman talk to the press.
You might know better than I, are self defense cases positive claims, that is to say doesn't Zimmerman have to make his case that it was self-defense, and wouldn't that be by testifying or statements he has made in the past? I ask because if that is the case and Zimmerman or the prosecution completely destroy his credibility, won't that make his testimony useless and his pretty much done?

[oportet.livejournal.com]

The 'eyewitness' came forward after a month, and told the prosecutor what she thought she saw in the dark.

It doesn't matter if you're Team George or Team Trayvon - I think we can all agree that if Mark O'Mara got through law school 3rd grade, this 'eyewitness' won't make much of a difference in the case, except maybe to make the prosecution seem desperate.

[rowsdowerisms.livejournal.com]

Ehh apparently the eyewitness gave a letter to the Martin family earlier than that though no date has been given that I know of. Her testimony directly contradicts some key points of Zimmerman's and should prove of some use to the prosecution.

As to O'Mara's competence, letting Zimmerman go on Hannity was pretty stupid. So was letting Zimmerman's wife commit perjury. I have my doubts that he has much control over his client.

[telemann.livejournal.com]

Haha. Zimmerman demanded Barbara Walters and ABC pay for a month's rent at hotel in order to be interviewed. They declined ;)

Source. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/19/barbara-walters-george-zimmerman-interivew-demands_n_1685668.html)

[rowsdowerisms.livejournal.com]

I've heard he is flat broke after the bond was raised. I wonder how much longer he can afford to keep O'Mara on staff.

[eracerhead.livejournal.com]

If you want to piss off a judge big time, lie. They hate that.

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

Good way to receive the wrath built up over the last thirty people who lied to them.

[eracerhead.livejournal.com]

Also, there is no god, so how can it have a plan?

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

Because, SATAN!

[meus-ovatio.livejournal.com]

OJ is innocent.