[identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
One topic that keeps recurring in the United States is the idea that the government should teach in public schools a narrowly defined religious--political viewpoint that blends together the worst traits of Ayn Rand's Objectivism with the ideas of 19th Century and later Protestant Fundamentalism. In a characteristically US fashion it blends a skullduggery-ridden practice and ideological end with an obnoxious favoring of malarkey over reality.

One interesting aspect of this has been that particularly under the last administration there has been a much-publicized and well-decried attempt to censor climatology to suit political agendas:

http://go.ucsusa.org/RSI_list/index.php

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/17/60minutes/main1415985.shtml


Too, due to the similarly religious-mammonistic correlation so often seen in US politics, the Bush Administration decided that some biological experiments just ain't worth it:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2006/jul/20/genetics.usnews

And everyone saw this, and declared it deplorable and a sign that under George W. Bush the USA was sliding slowly and inexorably to the day when the legions in khaki pants and white shirts would be marching and shouting "Freedom!" at the top of their lungs to the Dear Leader from Connecticut the lying carpetbagger-er Texas.

Yet science and honest reporting of scientific realities of key importance have been toyed with under the new guy, too:

links under a cut for the link-phobic )

Yet outside of a narrow domestic set of news-gatherers and quite a few foreign ones, the outrage over the Obama Administration's politicization of both science and the degree to which the BP Spill still directly affects people in the United States has been quite muted, even on FOX, where Wisconsin union strikers are secretly agents of El-Baradei, avatar of Nyarlathotep. This has interested me on several levels, just as the selective amnesia about three bombing raids over the No-Fly Zones in the 1990s does. However this one is much more personal, and where the worst cases of climate change and its effects put them off for a century or so, this is affecting people in the USA right the Hell now.

So my question is a simple, sincere one: Why is it that George Bush vetoing stem cell research and monkeying with climatology was a threat to all we hold dear but the Obama Administration's very BP-friendly policies here on the Gulf are not? In my view, the answer as always is that "evil is only something the other guys do" but I'm curious as to how other people see this.
[identity profile] dv8nation.livejournal.com
http://www.physorg.com/news/2010-12-reproductive-scientists-mice-fathers.html

Scientists have used stem cell technology to create mice using the genetic material from two male mice.

I can't say I'm really surprised that this happened. Given what we know about stem cells these days it was only a matter of time. Of course, since this means same sex couples could one day have children who are genetically theirs and that these kids would be able to reproduce normally then it's only a matter of time before there is an EPIC flip out over this from fundamentalists.

Personally, I'm all for this and anything else to do with stem cells. Mostly because I don't believe that all the junk you see in sci-fi stories about the dangers of genetic engineering will ever come to pass.
[identity profile] rumorsofwar.livejournal.com
Yet another reason to support stem cell research: "A STEM cell therapy offering “natural” breast enlargement is to be made available to British women for the first time..."

I don't know about anyone else, but if I was an embryo, I'd rather end up on a stripper's chest than in a rusty old dumpster behind a fertility clinic.
[identity profile] pantsu.livejournal.com
(CNSNews.com) - On Wednesday, only two days after he lifted President Bush’s executive order banning federal funding of stem cell research that requires the destruction of human embryos, President Barack Obama signed a law that explicilty bans federal funding of any "research in which a human embryo or embryos are destroyed, discarded, or knowingly subjected to risk of injury or death."

The provision was buried in the 465-page omnibus appropriations bill that Obama signed Wednesday. Known as the Dickey-Wicker amendment, it has been included in the annual appropriations bill for the Department of Health and Human Services every fiscal year since 1996.

The amendment says, in part: "None of the funds made available in this Act may be used for—(1) the creation of a human embryo or embryos for research purposes; or (2) research in which a human embryo or embryos are destroyed, discarded, or knowingly subjected to risk of injury or death."

sauce




...Wait, what? Not that I'm complaining, but seriously, what the hell?
What do you guys make of this? In b4 the pro-life agenda forced this or any variations thereof.
[identity profile] jellomarx.livejournal.com
This is the precipice of President Obama repealing President Bush's eight year ban on Federal Funding for embryonic stem cell research.

The argument used by those who opposed this scientific research was that each egg was a  potential life. Although I can't remember once anybody actually raising the point that these embryos would actually become lives.

"Some ask, why not avoid this controversy and just use adult stem cells? Stem cells have been found in several tissues of adults. While adult stem cells have been used in scientific inquiry, what makes embryonic stem cells such a promising area for medical research is that these cells are more plastic, i.e. it is easier to encourage them to become other cell types. In addition, there is concern that adult stem cells may not reproduce as accurately as embryonic stem cells, as the adult stem cells may lose genetic information after multiple cell divisions."http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/susan_brooks_thistlethwaite/2009/03/the_moral_imperative_to_reliev.html


So what was the point of stating this argument as a moral issue?  Isn't it of greater moral value to find a cure for Alzheimer's disease then to discard these cells?  If using these cells for the purposes of curing a disease like Parkinson's is immoral,  shouldn't creating these cells, that will only ultimately be discarded also be immoral?   Yet thankfully, nobody is claiming that invitrofertilization is immoral.  Yet the process of invitrofertilization, left these eggs with nowhere to go, but the trash.

I have no doubt that President Bush's decision was based upon his morals.   Thankfully a more moral person is now in the White House. 
[identity profile] shadowyphantom.livejournal.com

Hello everyone!  I was invited to this group by abomvubuso, and I wanted to ask a question of you guys.

Do you know of somatic stem cells, and do you think that the focus of stem cell research should be primarily on somatic or embryonic?

I'd like to point out that I'm for somatic stem cell research, as it has been proven time and time again that somatic stem cells do far less damage than embryonic, and can be found in more places than embryonic (bone marrow, umbilical cord blood, skin cells, etc.).

If you require more information on somatic stem cells, here are two resources:
http://adult-stem-cells.info/ and http://www.cellmedicine.com/news12.asp.

Some have condemned somatic stem cells on the basis of lessened plasticity; however, embryonic stem cells grow far too rapidly, and they have even caused
tumors (look for the topic, "Claim: Even if they are more versatile than once thought, adult cells don't spontaneously create almost every type of cell as embryonic stem cells do.").

There have been more favorable results with somatic than embryonic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-bch1U7pTE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMDBKKuSYmI

There does need to be stem cell research, but I believe that we should focus primarily on somatic.  Quite a few scientists still cling to embryonic stem cells as a miracle cure; the problem with embryonic stem cells is that they are either useless or harmful.

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Let's face it - using somatic stem cells, the scientists would get less bitching from church groups.

 
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I'd just like to say how nice you guys are, compared to other groups.  Seriously, kudos to you for not being hell-bent on flaming.

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