[identity profile] sandwichwarrior.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics


To me the choice is simple, we can prop up a cabal of brutal dictatorships that kill homosexuals, keep women as second class citizens, and don't care if they destroy the environment.

Or we can by our oil from Canada.

To be explicit, if you object to harvesting the Alberta oil sands you are an objectively misogynist, gay bashing, Gaia raping hypocrite.

;P

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Date: 4/11/11 21:43 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
However, no one seems to be open about alternative energy so....

I'm not sure there's anyone in this community who isn't open to alternative energy, or, really, anywhere.. This isn't a fair statement to make period.
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Date: 4/11/11 21:50 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
Not wanting to fund green boondoggles with taxpayer money is not the same as not favoring alternative energy.
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Date: 4/11/11 21:57 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
You mean something proven and reliable?
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Date: 4/11/11 22:20 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
So when an oil company inevitably introduces an alternative, what will oyur response be?
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Date: 4/11/11 22:31 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] debergerac.livejournal.com
hah, they'll be the filthy rich green barons.

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Date: 5/11/11 01:33 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peristaltor.livejournal.com
Drop them on our Enemies.

(Oh, wait. . . . Wrong tag line.)

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Date: 4/11/11 21:51 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrbogey.livejournal.com
I don't know if Amazement knows this but I currently have a 3600watt solar array on my roof.

I'm not aware of anyone else having one larger.
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Date: 4/11/11 21:53 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrbogey.livejournal.com
Sure... but I'll have to strip the data off of it to ensure anonymity.
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Date: 4/11/11 22:13 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrbogey.livejournal.com
...more than anyone (in this community).

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Date: 5/11/11 00:04 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soliloquy76.livejournal.com
How much does something like that run, if you don't mind me asking?

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Date: 5/11/11 00:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrbogey.livejournal.com
Cost? Production?

Unsubsidized: $24k
Subsidized: $5k with me doing most of the designing and footwork for interconnecting it.

Produces about 20kwh per day. About 2$ worth of electricity at going rate. Although it's never had to for more than an hour, it's meant to replace a generator during daylight power outages where the cost of fuel runs to about 50-80 cents per kwh depending on load (and my rough napkin figures).

With about 20kwh it's enough for microwave, computers, TV, lighting, and most other small electric items. My big circuits like A/C, oven, and dryer aren't operable off of the panels because I'd rather everything else run longer than those items. My home was re-insulated to make heating and cooling with smaller room units during major outages easier.

The panel racks are rated to take winds of about 100mph or so which should cover me if a moderate hurricane passes through here and knocks power out for a week or two like last time.
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Date: 5/11/11 01:34 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peristaltor.livejournal.com
Tree shadows are covering your capacity! Damn those greedy neighbors! They are costing you money!

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Date: 5/11/11 01:39 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrbogey.livejournal.com
The sun is setting and it's my neighbor's single tree. Not a big problem.

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Date: 5/11/11 02:21 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peristaltor.livejournal.com
That is money they take from your pocket!

Actually, if you're in California, there's a law on the books that allows recourse for neighbors who shadow solar panels with trees. You could turn that shader into firewood. Fer real.

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Date: 5/11/11 01:47 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
That's awesome, BTW.

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