[identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
One of the heroes of libertarian ideology is the railroad robber baron entrepreneur James J. Hill. He is contrasted with the other robber barons entrepreneurs who built the intercontinental railroad. The big difference is that Hill did not leverage public financing to construct his empire organization.

Hill derived his wealth from his serfs yeoman farmers who settled on his land to raise abundant harvests for transport to distant markets on Hills road. The settlers were forced encouraged to sell their produce to grain elevator shysters entrepreneurs at rock bottom market prices. These pilfering enterprising middlemen held on to the grain until a more favorable price was offered on the grain market and they obtained rate rebates by shipping in bulk. (They also bilked optimized grain prices from farmers by underrating the quality of the grain.)

When we look at the surface of Hill's story, it appears that no public planning went into this development. The libertarian historian has conveniently avoided looking at the planning that took place years before Hill obtained his fiefdom property. Racist Forward-looking politicians deliberately expropriated acquired the land from its native inhabitants for the purpose of economic development. Hill and his settlers maintained their holdings under the protective hand of federal and state thugs military personnel, lest it fall back into the hands of the original proprietors uncivilized people.

Although the Solyndra investment appears to be a piece of failed public planning, it has more of the earmarks of traditional robber baron private development. Back in the day, a thieving an enterprising operator would run his business into the ground and sell off the depleted stocks to a shifty trusted new partner, leaving the original investors with little or no return on their capital.

Were it not for public planning, this Internet space would not be available for us to use. In fact, I would not have the capacity to communicate as well as I do had it not been for public planning.

Is there really such a thing as unplanned economic development?

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Date: 22/9/11 17:19 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eracerhead.livejournal.com
Libertarian policies have never been tested or put into practice anywhere. So the least risky thing to do is to of course to try it out on the largest economy in the world first.

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Date: 22/9/11 17:48 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] montecristo.livejournal.com
To the extent that it was free that was how it became large. Freedom, espcially economic freedom, is a scale, not necessarilly a destination or some utopian endpoint. One should always desire more freedom for the individual in the same way, and for the same reason, one desires less crime in society. Unfortunately, power, especially political power, tends to accumulate. If you read libertarian historical analysis, you find that history provides many examples of successful civilizations which have become economically less free as the political power within them became concentrated and more centralized. This has lead to their downfall or at least the degradation of the culture and its social strengths.

Re: There is a difference...

Date: 22/9/11 18:14 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] montecristo.livejournal.com
Innuendo. Your statement is true, as far as it goes, but it doesn't really assert much, let alone substantiate anything.

Re: There is a difference...

Date: 22/9/11 18:54 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] montecristo.livejournal.com
It depends upon how you define "wage slavery" and whether you believe that this is a free market phenomenon, whether or not I will agree with that statent. Nevertheless, you are correct, if I understand your position. Freedom is relative term, and there are varying degrees of freedom in various societies throughout the world. Freedom can also be illusory. Milton Mayer points out that many Third Reich Germans thought they were free. (http://www.amazon.com/They-Thought-Were-Free-Germans/dp/0226511928/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1316716723&sr=1-1) There are libertarians who have pointed out that relatively more freedom means greater production, but that this does not mean that people are not still exploited and expropriated by force. (http://www.youtube.com/user/stefbot#p/u/1/Xbp6umQT58A) [YouTube video, 13 mins]

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Date: 22/9/11 18:23 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ddstory.livejournal.com
My proposition from yesterday remains. Allocate a small island to each ideology and make them compete. In 10 years check them out and whoever fares best, wins.

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Date: 22/9/11 19:14 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ddstory.livejournal.com
The metric of "If they're still alive, they're fine".
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Date: 22/9/11 21:57 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ddstory.livejournal.com
We nuke them from orbit and start anew.

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