[identity profile] paft.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
I couldn’t watch the Republican debate the other night, so I had to rely on what I found online afterwards. Yeah, I heard it was a bit over the top when it came to décor and format, but lots of election coverage is like that.

Then I saw this:



Tonight’s players:

Mitt Romney, the Early Frontrunner…Rick Perry, The Newcomer…Michelle Bachmann, The Firebrand…John Huntsman, The Diplomat…Ron Paul,The Libertarian…Rick Santorum, The Fighter…Herman Cain, The Businessman…Newt Gingrich, The Big Thinker…


Oh. Dear. God.

It’s a sign of my age, I suppose, that what I thought of first was not a reality show, but the opening credits of a 70s-era heist flick. It starts with a tight close-up showing only the shadowy lower portion of someone’s face barking “round up the gang” into a phone, followed by a quick video montage – Mitt Romney as, “Racehorse!” Rick Perry as, “The Kid!” Michelle Bachmann as, “Torchy!”….

And it doesn’t get any better. Wolf Blitzer comes out and tells us all (happily! Like it’s a good thing.) this is being aired on CNN International. Yes, my fellow Americans, it's true. People outside the country were watching Wolf Blitzer announce, “It’s time now to meet, the 2012 Republican Presidential contenders!” with the air of Bob Barker yelling, “Come on down!” Foreigners were looking at the all red-white-and-blue set. Foreigners watching the national anthem being sung and the candidates vying with each other for who could look the most soulful as they stood at attention. And worst of all, people outside this country, who may never have actually met Americans or talked to them at length, heard the debate itself, and Americans cheering for… Well, I’m not even going to go into that again.

Bleeding heart that I am, however, the person I feel most sorry for is Wolf Blitzer, who I’m convinced had to talk the producers out of making him wear striped pants and a red-white-and-blue top hat.

“Do you want me to beg?” I imagine him saying tearfully during some pre-production meeting. “All right, I’m begging you…”

To all people outside of the US who might have been watching that debate...

Honestly. We aren't like that.


Crossposted from Thoughtcrimes

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Date: 14/9/11 20:09 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-new-machine.livejournal.com
They're just being more honest than most in putting our political process as the equivalent of a sporting event.

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Date: 14/9/11 20:30 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ytterbius.livejournal.com
It's not equivalent.

If Americans knew political issues and politician stats and facts as well as they knew their sports stats, I'd breath a freakin' sigh of relief.

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Date: 14/9/11 20:38 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sealwhiskers.livejournal.com
I was just gonna say the same thing...

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Date: 14/9/11 20:52 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enders-shadow.livejournal.com
i do wonder just how i can get my friend who knows all sorts of stats about the yankees to know all sorts of stats about voting.

and to, ya know, actually get him to vote on election day.
he didnt vote last year cause he didnt change his place of registration...

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Date: 14/9/11 20:54 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soliloquy76.livejournal.com
That's how Nate Silver got started, and look where he is today.

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Date: 14/9/11 21:00 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
It's hard keeping track of an essentially replaceable cast of elected panderers to the powerful and wealthy. At least when I pick Darren Sproles for my fantasy team I can trust he'll try to pick up his production each week.

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Date: 14/9/11 22:37 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-new-machine.livejournal.com
So... we need to make it more like sporting events. Add more stats, increase the frequency of the championship (because nobody pays attention to FIFA in part because the World Cup isn't annual), create new ratios to memorize (passed:sponsored legislation?), and create a uniform for each different campaign team.

Hm....

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Date: 14/9/11 20:11 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
My comment on that clusterfuck can be most succintly summarized by this gif:

Image

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Date: 14/9/11 20:37 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
I wouldn't feel sorry for Wolf. As far as I can tell from his history, he probably designed the show format himself.

Since politics is just a game at this point, might as well stop dressing it up.

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Date: 15/9/11 20:25 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
Of course it is. I'm sorry you can't see it. You'd be much more effective if you saw things the way they are rather than how you think they are/ought to be.

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Date: 18/9/11 03:39 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
Not really. Maybe you're not clear on the definition of "game".

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Date: 14/9/11 20:48 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soliloquy76.livejournal.com
Oh, I like this game. Here's my take:

Image
  • Mitt Romney as "Mr Pink" (the survivor(?) that makes off with the diamonds)
  • Rick Perry as "Mr Blonde" (the crazed killer that shows up late)
  • Michele Bachmann as "Mrs Blonde" (uncredited)
  • John Huntsman as "Mr White" (the voice of reason)
  • Ron Paul as "Mr Orange" (the undercover cop who will get taken out later in the movie)
  • Rick Santorum as "Mr Blue" (a minor character that's taken out early)
  • Herman Cain as "Mr Brown" (for obvious reasons, plus he'll get taken out early as well)
  • Newt Gingrich as "Joe Cabot" (the old gangster who is not too relevant to the story)

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Date: 14/9/11 20:55 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enders-shadow.livejournal.com
nah, pink doesn't survive. shot down by cops at the end.
thats my take, at least.

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Date: 14/9/11 20:57 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soliloquy76.livejournal.com
Yeah, it was left up to the viewer to decide. It still fits, though. If Romney is taken out, he's still got the diamonds. :D

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Date: 14/9/11 22:38 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-new-machine.livejournal.com
Really? I just presumed he survived because I saw no evidence to the contrary.

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Date: 15/9/11 00:24 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enders-shadow.livejournal.com
Do you assume there's a teapot on mars car you've seen no evidence to the contrary? ;)

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Date: 15/9/11 01:58 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-new-machine.livejournal.com
No, but I do not assume that Mars was destroyed by a gigantic meteor shower just because it could happen whenever we look away, either. There's nothing to suggest he stopped living, so I presume that he continued in his prior, breathing and not bleeding state.

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Date: 14/9/11 21:00 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
I can't even figure out what you're upset about here. CNN decided to get fancy with the production. So what? It was a cute, different introduction to the candidates. No harm, no foul.

The point is...

Date: 15/9/11 00:36 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
... that it reflects poorly on America by demonstrating a shallow anti-intellectual veneer and overt political hucksterism.

Re: The point is...

Date: 15/9/11 15:28 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
Exactly. It reminds me of the movie Network.

Re: The point is...

Date: 16/9/11 02:41 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whoasksfinds.livejournal.com
it reminds me of how dumb mtv is

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Date: 14/9/11 21:12 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
Maybe at the next one, Rick Perry can schedule a public execution. That was the only thing missing Monday night.

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Date: 14/9/11 21:14 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
With such sort of entertainment, why need a circus? I'm already sniffing some awesome lulz coming up.

Would that be...

Date: 15/9/11 00:38 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
... a beheading or a stoning? With the latter, audience participation would boost ratings.

Re: Would that be...

Date: 15/9/11 10:51 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
It's much cooler when you can participate personally in the show.

Sanctimony, ten yards, offense!

Date: 14/9/11 21:41 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] montecristo.livejournal.com
If you're going to complain about the circus at least broaden your perspective to include the ridiculous donkeys as well as the dancing elephants. Mencken was more witty and eloquent with his criticism:

"Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule--and both commonly succeed, and are right."

"Democracy is also a form of worship. It is the worship of jackals by jackasses."

"People do not expect to find chastity in a whorehouse. Why, then, do they expect to find honesty and humanity in government, a congeries of institutions whose modus operandi consists of lying, cheating, stealing, and if need be, murdering those who resist?"

Re: Sanctimony, ten yards, offense!

Date: 14/9/11 21:56 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
"Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we began by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except negroes" When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics." When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty -- to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocracy [sic]."

Re: Sanctimony, ten yards, offense!

Date: 14/9/11 22:05 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soliloquy76.livejournal.com
He's seizing in his grave while those Know-Nothings invoke his name whenever they get a chance.

Re: Sanctimony, ten yards, offense!

Date: 15/9/11 01:37 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caerfrli.livejournal.com
If you're a Mencken fan maybe you know the quote I think is his about how corporations can do anything people can except have sex and that if there's money in it they'll even do that? thanks

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Date: 14/9/11 22:10 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
I have started referring to Bachmann as “I’m not a doctor, I’m not a scientist, I’m not a physician.

I didn't know that doctors & physicians had different jobs but maybe she was referring to Doctors of Philosophy?

Michele's doctor...

Date: 15/9/11 00:41 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
... is a specialist who performs lobotomies and prescribes psychotropic drugs.

Re: Michele's doctor...

Date: 15/9/11 01:16 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enders-shadow.livejournal.com
those are the best kind. (of doctors or drugs, you pick)

Re: Michele's doctor...

Date: 15/9/11 14:25 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allhatnocattle.livejournal.com
They're called dealers or pushers

Re: Michele's doctor...

Date: 15/9/11 15:17 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
I see that you value charlatan practice.

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Date: 14/9/11 22:15 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] korean-guy-01.livejournal.com
We're not the mindless zombie drones you saw on TV near the Big 0 on 2008's election, either.

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Date: 15/9/11 00:11 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
No, you're just the mindless zombie drones that shuffled around 2000-2008.

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Date: 15/9/11 01:15 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enders-shadow.livejournal.com
everyday their shufflin'

Image

Image

Jon Stewart on the debates

Date: 15/9/11 00:20 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
Here (http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-september-8-2011/oh-my-god--rick-perry-is-going-to-be-our-next-president---second-installment?xrs=eml_tds) is the Daily Show sketch on the debates. It has some fun observations on Rick Perry's appeal to the Rebublican base. It closes with a bumper snicker play on the Social Security ponzy scheme remark: "It's not about Obama: it's about yo mama."

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Date: 15/9/11 01:17 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enders-shadow.livejournal.com
seriously, you didnt know it was that bad? where have you been?

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Date: 15/9/11 03:00 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] devil-ad-vocate.livejournal.com
Judging from the ratings, the Mime Network had a bigger audience.

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Date: 16/9/11 05:33 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dreadfulpenny81.livejournal.com
I like Jon Stewart's assessment, where he said the set looked like the inside of Betsy Ross' vagina. Or so he was told.

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Date: 18/9/11 09:48 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dreadfulpenny81.livejournal.com
One thing you and I agree on. Hell must have frozen over. Ha ha!