The Losing Game

[sophia-sadek.livejournal.com]

When 9-11 when down my first analysis of the affair was to compare Christian fundamentalism with Muslim fundamentalism. Kamikaze Muslim fundamentalists were clearly willing to die for the freedom of their own people. What about Christian fundamentalists? They seem to only be willing for others to die for the freedom of fundamentalist action. As we can see by the recent deaths of the hit men who carried out the assassination of bin Laden, the whole affair is a lose-lose situation for both sides. Let's face it: fundamentalism is for losers.

William Casey saw warfare in economic terms. In his time the bigger economy prevailed. Perhaps he would seek out the bigger economy that was propping up the Taliban and al-Qaeda. He would trace their funding through Pakistan and Saudi Arabia to find that his own policies have pitted the US against the US. Two factions of religious bigotry supplied by petro-dollars butt heads with each other in a race to the bottom. Which will be the biggest loser?


(BTW, my observations on Christian fundamentalist cowardice predated my learning about Air Force policies of promoting dominionism and protecting their pilots from enemy capture.)

Comments

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Unfortunately Christians are just willing to do that for Christianity. Just ask Uganda which is bringing Christian love to its gays right now, and don't forget to ask Azerbaijan why a genocide almost 100 years ago justifies expelling 1 million people in the 1990s. While you're at it, also look up the Taiping Rebellion, the last Crusade.

[gunslnger.livejournal.com]

don't forget to ask Azerbaijan why a genocide almost 100 years ago justifies expelling 1 million people in the 1990s.

The same reason the Kurds think they're entitled to part of Turkey that they used to live in 1000 years ago.

That sounds familiar.

[sophia-sadek.livejournal.com]

It reminds me of an beleaguered ethnic minority that sought its long lost home land as a solution to its problems. Be careful what you pray for, you just might get it.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

And the same reason Greeks think they're entitled to all of Turkey because of a bunch of feuding Roman overlords and generals.

[gunslnger.livejournal.com]

And that reason is entirely unconnected to religion.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

On the contrary it's only connected to religion. There are no Muslims in Greece, the Greeks don't recognize any that are there and have gained a lot of practice at genocide as a means of expanding borders. Too bad their victims weren't whites, they might be as neutered as Germany with equal reason for it.

[gunslnger.livejournal.com]

You almost had a grasp on the point, and then it escaped you. The Kurds don't want part of Turkey because they're Muslim and Turkey is ... something, they want it because they're Kurds and they think they used to live there.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

They want a part of Turkey for nationalist reasons. I'm referring to Greeks and Turks, who falls into which category is defined solely by religion.

[gunslnger.livejournal.com]

I know, and you seem to be doing that because you missed my point.

[raichu100.livejournal.com]

"Unfortunately Christians are just willing to do that for Christianity."

Maybe they are. I'm sure some are. That wasn't my point though, and I was in no way making a statement about Islam itself. I was only talking about the actions of the hijackers and whether it can be constituted as fighting for their freedom, which I have asserted it cannot.

Assert all you wish.

[sophia-sadek.livejournal.com]

It will not prove your point.

Re: Assert all you wish.

[raichu100.livejournal.com]

But my assertion is my point. I'm not sure what you're getting at. (again.)

Re: Assert all you wish.

[sophia-sadek.livejournal.com]

You deny that there is any element of fighting for freedom in al-Qaeda. No amount of denial will cause it to go away.

Re: Assert all you wish.

[raichu100.livejournal.com]

I missed the part where you asserted that it /was/ an element of their reason for fighting, and I concede that it was probably part of the reason (see above).

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Well, sure it ain't fighting for anyone's freedom. I never said that it was. I'm simply noting that Christians use genocide and armies and that's awright, Muslims make clumsy pinpricks and it's Charleton Heston confronting the Statue of Liberty time.

[raichu100.livejournal.com]

Okay. That isn't at all relevant to any of my comments though