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[dv8nation.livejournal.com]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/15/us/15gay.html?_r=2&hp

California will become the first state to require public schools to teach gay and lesbian history.

As expected, Gov. Jerry Brown signed a bill on Thursday that mandates that the contributions of gays and lesbians in the state and the country be included in social science instruction and in textbooks. School districts will have until next January to begin implementing the new law, which was also promoted in part as a way to combat bullying of gay and lesbian students.


Well, now this is a surprise.After Prop 8 I was forced to revise my opinion on just how progressive California really was. But this makes me think that maybe things might not have been what I though. Sure, their will be opposition. But while this will take some time to fully kick in I think that the genie is out of the bottle and as California goes so goes the rest of the nation. However more slowly.

With this and the ruling against DADT it looks like gay rights is really picking up some steam.

Comments

[mrbogey.livejournal.com]

Make a list of a dozen people whose sexuality was important to their historical worth and I'll make a list of 10000 whose sexuality was unimportant.

Your fallacy is assuming sexuality is an outward trait that is as self-evident as race or gender.

Also we don't teach people about the Holocaust due to it's racial bigotry but due to it killing millions and leaving a massive scar across Europe. That it primarily affected Jews isn't why it's taught.

The Stonewall riots and a few gay activists have historical worth but their sexuality alone really isn't important.

"Great power bottoms in history..."

[raichu100.livejournal.com]

I think the best parallel to MLK Jr. or teaching about the Holocaust would be featuring a gay or bi person who helped make progress for the LGBT community. Which is important, but hardly "history" yet since most of this stuff has happened fairly recently.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Alan Turing.
St. Augustine of Hippo.
Friedrich der Grosse ob Brandenberg-Preussen.
Solomon of Israel.

Two, the Holocaust only affected Jews and was a part of a broader extermination campaign that killed 22 million people in 2 years. Only Jews were entirely deported out of countries like say, Hungary, to the murder factories, however. Leaving out the broader context distorts the history of the Axis-Soviet War.

[mrbogey.livejournal.com]

Well if Alan Turing wasn't gay he'd never have had the success he had. It's obvious!

[404.livejournal.com]

Maybe if Stonewall Jackson was gay he wouldn't have been mortally wounded at Chancellorsville!

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Maybe if Turing was straight he wouldn't have died earlier than he needed to. But hey, we all know you people admire the people who beat gay men to death with tire irons, there's no sense in trying to hide it.

[404.livejournal.com]

Projecting much?

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Nope. I find bloody murder disgusting. I also find trading with guys like the Islamic Republic of Iran nothing short of treason. The Right-Wing clings to the cult of an old man with Alzheimer's who backed Saddam and traded with the Ayatollah, fetishizing that traitor Oliver North and admiring people like Rick Warren who back latter-day builders of death camps.

I'm sorry that telling the truth offends you. I just happen to have morals and a functional memory.

[404.livejournal.com]

No you don't, you project your own biases on those who may disagree with your assertions using your broad brushes and highhanded approaches.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2009/04/virginia_foxx_mathew_shepards.html

No, I just have ears to hear and eyes that see. I understand that nobody on the Right ever takes responsibility for what they do, that's why you love Ollie North and Dave Vitter. Such people speak to the true honor and loyalty of the conservative soul.

[404.livejournal.com]

Quit telling me what I like and don't like. You have no clue on either, but you still claim that you do. That is one reason why you are so distasteful: you are but a child who has had some schooling, but has the gall to think he knows better than the rest of us because of it.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

I don't think I know better than anyone. I'm perfectly aware of my limitations. I realize I have much to learn and have grown up in a sheltered life. Now, Dr. Freud, how about addressing my actual points that conservatives admire traitors and apologize for murder and claim it was not murder? Can you do that?

[404.livejournal.com]

When you claim I like Ollie North or David Vitter you certainly claim to know what I do and do not like. There is no point to converse with you: you will slither and squirm your way out of responding in form to anything that might prove you are full of shit.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Actually I claimed that people like you, who are Religious conservatives think that way. I have never named you personally and all my comments refer to an entire wing of politics based on what that wing says and does. It's not exactly you I single out, but you see it thus. Perhaps it is you who project and not me?

[404.livejournal.com]

Again, you don't know me, and you don't know how I think.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Nor do you know me, to assume that I think a certain way. To judge by the extent that I have been called a monarchist, a fascist, a communist, an anarchist, a white hater, a white supremacist, a state supremacist, and a liberal, all of which together would require one hell of a special type of Orwellian superpower I daresay that my views seem not to fit any particular category. Not that this has stopped people from claiming I think certain ways when I do not.

[404.livejournal.com]

Then you should try to show you are better than them, but you consistently stoop to their level.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

See here:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2009/04/virginia_foxx_mathew_shepards.html

You call evil good and good evil, kissing Mammon's hairy smelly ballsacks while claiming you worship Christ.

[dv8nation.livejournal.com]

Careful, Lankers. Keep down this road and you'll be yammering about Ceaser in every post.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Lettuce speak no more of Romaine matters.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

You're right, he would have had a lot more instead of being killed for sodomy.