[identity profile] blue-mangos.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
There is a debate among feminists of today surrounding the legalities and morality of the sex trade. Many believe it should be a legitimate profession that women can choose, out of their own free will, to engage in. Sex itself is not immoral so why should the trade of it be so? It is my belief that it should be legalized, as taking away the underground aspect of the industry will remove a great deal of the risks, dangers and coercion involved. Many countries around the world have legalized prostitution. Some, including Canada, have decriminalized the act of solicitation, while operating a bawdy house, public solicitation and living off the avails of prostitution (pimping) remain illegal. There are some, including many South American countries who have seemed to have struck the best balance, with prostitution and brothels being legal for women over 18 with pimping remaining illegal.

In my opinion, the criminalization of the act is what leads to exploitation of women and to the dangers and abuse that many face. Giving women the option of choosing it as a profession while keeping pimping illegal reduces the coercion aspect. Take away the dark alley scenarios and lack of accountability and it becomes much more safe and controlled. Legalization may also reduce the stigma surrounding prostitution. Men rape and murder prostitutes as they are seen as worthless. Once it is a legitimate job it may raise the value of these women in the eyes of society and especially police. Rapes and abuse of sex workers will be reported to the police once the threat of arrest is removed. The health risks involved in prostitution for both the woman and her clients can also be reduced through legalization. Mandatory health checks can be instituted by the government to stop the spread of HIV and STDs.

Unfortunately, not enough research has been done in these areas to support the belief that legalized prostitution will lead to these positive benefits, and the information out there is conflicting, depending on who has commissioned the study. All we can go on at this point is common sense and the word of the sex workers themselves who have been working for legislation. More attention must be paid to the matter until we find a model that provides the best protection and options for the women involved.

It is my belief that prostitution should be a viable career choice for any woman who chooses to engage in it. However, I recognize that many of those who do so are doing it out of a lack of any other choice, due to socio-economic factors and addiction. A vital part of any countries prostitution standards should be exit strategies and resources available to those who wish to no longer engage in the practice. Efforts should be focused not on punishing the prostitutes, but in determining their needs and choices and giving assistance where desired.

Removing the criminal act, and allowing women greater choices will also remove some of the moral issues many women have with prostitution. Under illegal prostitution, men are seen as dominating and exploiting women. To take away that power and put it back in the hands of women should be seen as a victory by feminist groups. As well, normalizing the sex trade should help to remove the stigma of sex workers as degenerates.

Two areas that must remain illegal and fought against are child prostitution (which should, IMO, be considered anyone under the age of 18) and sex trafficking. It is estimated that 600,000-800,000 men, women and children are trafficked across international borders every year. Globalization and advanced communication devices and the internet have made the practice much easier. Traffickers prey on the vulnerable, mostly those in undeveloped or poor countries. The victims, often teenage girls, are lured from their homes with promises of a better life, removed from their countries and kept in situations where they have no control, no security and no protection from local law enforcement. These are the areas women's groups and law enforcement should be focusing their attention and resources on stopping, these are the true victims of illegal prostitution.

Prostitution is often referred to as the oldest profession in the world. This may not be completely accurate but records exist back to 2400 B.C. where it was recorded on a Sumerian list of professions (along with, interestingly, lady doctor.) and continues through historical records right up to present time. It is safe to say it is not going away. It is time for all countries to recognize this fact and provide the safest laws possible to protect these women.

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Date: 5/7/11 20:05 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pastorlenny.livejournal.com
Sort of. I'm a little averse to making "religion" some entirely distinct order of factor that is fully divorced from cultural and social realities.

I know it's hard to believe, but Muslims are actually people -- and Islam manifests itself in many ways around the world, in part because of the nature of the cultures and societies where it is embraced.

Also, again as odd as it may sound, Buddhists have parents. And endocrine systems.

Bizarre, I know.

So, yes, it is worth examining the objections human beings generally have to prostitution before we just start talking about the nefarious influence of the Pope on American legislation at the Federal, state and local level.

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Date: 5/7/11 21:50 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rasilio.livejournal.com
The problem is this discussion is about the legality of it because that is what my comment addressed, if you wanted to start a thread about the morality of it and why people might be opposed to engaging in it or allowing their children to engage in it then you should have started your own thread.

So lets go back and start from the beginning...


The only arguments for making prostitution illegal are religious in nature.

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Date: 5/7/11 22:24 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pastorlenny.livejournal.com
The only arguments for making prostitution illegal are religious in nature.

False.

I have hard time believing you

Date: 6/7/11 03:31 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allhatnocattle.livejournal.com
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_prostitution

many cultures/religions have some sort of prostitution. Not saying it's a particularly admired/desired profession... but neither is garbage man.

The Hindu devadasi tradition comes to mind first. But we could also talk about the Hutterite/ Mennonite Brethren who pay for new DNA to enter their limited gene pool and prevent inbreeding. And if you really want to tal about Muslims, it's well known that in their culture they are not only polygamous, but will buy/trade/sell wives. While this is not exactly prostitution street walker style, as a husband has obligations to his wives, it is sex for trade... which a rose by any other name is prostitution

Re: I have hard time believing you

Date: 6/7/11 03:51 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pastorlenny.livejournal.com
No one is disputing the pervasiveness of prostitution. So I'm not sure what your subject line is intended to convey.

But it is interesting that you are associating prostitution with the treatment ofwomen as chattel.
Edited Date: 6/7/11 03:57 (UTC)

Re: I have hard time believing you

Date: 6/7/11 05:01 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allhatnocattle.livejournal.com
Prostitution is sex for trade... doesn't really matter if she is selling herself or if somebody else is selling her and/or her services. Either way it is still sex for trade.

Re: I have hard time believing you

Date: 6/7/11 05:11 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allhatnocattle.livejournal.com
You implied that prostitution is not just lowly regarded in every religion/culture... re; "First, we might want to look at the issue of how many parents in any world culture -- whether it's post-Enlightenment Protestantism or pre-colonial Yorubaland -- talk to their daughters about how proud they would be if they were to choose prostitution as a career path." Which isn't entirely true. Sex for trade is considered normal part of many cultures throughout history, neither high nor lowly regarded.

Shame of sex might stem from the Victorian-era, just as shame of sex for trade. I doubt Caligula had shame throwing a few coins at a whore.

Re: I have hard time believing you

Date: 6/7/11 12:26 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pastorlenny.livejournal.com
"Any" is not "every." The argument is not that prostitution is universally disdained. That would have been a silly assertion in a post where participants are actively arguing for it and where multiple examnples of its acceptance have already been presented. The argument was that there may be objections to it that are common across diverse groups -- and that therefore might not be full attributable to a "priest in a fancy hat."

But, again, thank you for the example of Caligula.

Re: I have hard time believing you

Date: 6/7/11 13:58 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Mr. Marrying a statue Caligula? Methinks you could probably find a better example than that guy.

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