I, like many others, can never get enough Weiner

[pastorlenny.livejournal.com]

Anthony Weiner is just another garden-variety scumbag with absolutely no personal integrity.

The question I would like to ask is whether we should really care about this?  That is, given the choice, would we rather have people in government who are garden-variety scumbags -- but who advocate for policies that we believe optimally serve the interests of the citizenry -- or people who have high moral character, but are incompetent at governing and/or are completely wrong-headed when it comes to public policy?

My own sense is that I'd rather have someone skim half a million from the public coffers and make decisions that save us billions than someone who is squeaky clean -- but whose incompetence undermines justice and prudence.
 

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[gunslnger.livejournal.com]

What he said was that he couldn't be sure if it was him or wasn't him.

And now we know that he did know it was him. So, he was lying about it.

But I love how conservatives latch onto stupid things like this

For the same reason Democrats do it.

[deborahkla.livejournal.com]

And now we know that he did know it was him. So, he was lying about it.
Omigod how HORRIBLE! He lied about a personal matter that brought no harm to anyone! My god, that's much, much worse than ignoring the evidence on WMD to declare war in Iraq, which has cost thousands of lives and left many people permanently maimed. I keep forgetting that to you conservatives, sex is so much worse than war.

For the same reason Democrats do it.
Interesting comment. Since most of these scandals seem to revolve around Republicans, I believe that explains the Democratic interest, particularly because they often involve homosexual acts or illegal attempts to solicit homosexual acts in public restrooms by politicians who have made a career out of fighting gay rights. So there is, of course, the matter of hypocrisy, and that's why those Republican politicians have garnered so much attention.

I'm sure you're happy that Wiener will probably be forced to resign despite the fact that he did nothing illegal--unlike Larry Craig, who was actually arrested and indicted for an illegal act, yet still holds his seat in congress. As long as you are Republican and say you hate gays and fight their efforts to gain civil rights, you can stay.

[gunslnger.livejournal.com]

I keep forgetting that to you conservatives, sex is so much worse than war.

Strawman after strawman after strawman. Why do you bother? Are you here to hear yourself talk? Because you sure don't seem to be interested in discussing anything, just trying to make sure everyone knows what you think of those evil conservatives.

Since most of these scandals seem to revolve around Republicans, I believe that explains the Democratic interest

And the Democrats don't want the same social/moral/legal rules to apply to them when they do it. How convenient.

I'm sure you're happy that Wiener will probably be forced to resign despite the fact that he did nothing illegal--unlike Larry Craig, who was actually arrested and indicted for an illegal act, yet still holds his seat in congress.

I'm sure you're just as good at mind reading as I am, which is to say, not at all.

[deborahkla.livejournal.com]

Because you sure don't seem to be interested in discussing anything, just trying to make sure everyone knows what you think of those evil conservatives.
Sheer nonsense, as my many other comments here clearly demonstrate. It's only to those of you who choose to make short, pithy comments of no substance that I choose to do the same. After all, why waste my time over people who have nothing to offer?

And the Democrats don't want the same social/moral/legal rules to apply to them when they do it. How convenient.
Again, nonsense. There's never as much hue and cry nor demand for resignation for Republicans caught in sexual scandals except when they're demonstrating their hypocrisy, as in Larry Craig's arrest in soliciting homosexual sex in a public men's room after speaking out against gay rights for decades. And was Larry Craig forced to resign for committing an illegal sexual act? No. Was Eliot Spitzer forced to resign for committing an illegal sexual act, namely having sex with prostitutes? Yes, because conservatives are so backwards about sex.

I'm sure you're just as good at mind reading as I am, which is to say, not at all.
ROFLMAO! How delightful. You actually admit that you might have been wrong after all about why Wiener caved after I asked you if you could read his mind when you said you weren't wrong. It had to come in the form of accusing me of mind-reading as well, but I'm happy to see my point so well-made. Congratulations on "fessing up" to your inability to mind-read.

[gunslnger.livejournal.com]

It looks like you need to look at who is "forcing" these people to resign. I don't think you know.

You actually admit that you might have been wrong after all about why Wiener caved after I asked you if you could read his mind when you said you weren't wrong.

No, I told you already that I wasn't reading his mind. Having trouble trying to keep things straight for more than a day?

[deborahkla.livejournal.com]

I told you already that I wasn't reading his mind.
You never told me anything of the sort. When I asked you if you could read Wiener's mind, you never replied. Go back to the comment thread and read through it.

Having trouble trying to keep things straight for more than a day?
Not at all. But it appears that you are.

[gunslnger.livejournal.com]

Hmm, I thought I did. Must have been lost in editing. Regardless, you just assumed that, as usual, and were wrong, as usual. But it still makes your statement (You actually admit that you might have been wrong after all about why Wiener caved) logically incorrect.

[deborahkla.livejournal.com]

Regardless, you just assumed that, as usual, and were wrong, as usual. But it still makes your statement ("You actually admit that you might have been wrong after all about why Wiener caved") logically incorrect.
Wrong again, my friend. Read the comment thread. It's right below this one.

When pastorlenny gave two possible reasons for Weiner caving, you said, "the second one." I replied, "congratulations, good guess!" To which you replied, "I'm not guessing." In my response to this last comment of yours, I said, "Oh, you know for an actual fact that it was the second one? You can read this man's mind?"

That's the statement to which you didn't reply. The mind-reading part was also my sarcastic response to your arrogant assumption that you weren't guessing.

So when you the said, "I'm sure you're just as good at mind reading as I am, which is to say, not at all," that was when I said "You actually admit that you might have been wrong after all about why Wiener caved after I asked you if you could read his mind when you said you weren't wrong."

The assumption, my friend, was made by you when you stated outright that you weren't guessing. Unless you are capable of actually reading minds, you cannot possibly know exactly what was in Weiner's mind.

You can strawman me all you wish, but I promise you that you will never win. The fact of the matter is, I outdrew you and shot all your arguments down. I will hereby blow the smoke from my pistols, reholster them, mount my horse and ride out of town in triumph. Goodbye!

[gunslnger.livejournal.com]

Unless you are capable of actually reading minds, you cannot possibly know exactly what was in Weiner's mind.

Sure I can. People do it all the time. It's not that hard.

And yes, we still haven't dealt with your strawmen. But since I can tell you won't ever get it, I don't care enough to try any more.

[deborahkla.livejournal.com]

Sure I can. People do it all the time. It's not that hard.
An absolutely classic strawman response to my pointing out to you precisely what was said, despite your denials.

You, my friend, are a far worse strawman than I could ever attempt to be, and I congratulate you.

However, you're also a very poor loser. But that's your problem. Have a good life.

[pastorlenny.livejournal.com]

I will hereby blow the smoke from my pistols, reholster them, mount my horse and ride out of town in triumph. Goodbye!

How transparently juvenile.

[htpcl.livejournal.com]

Please stop calling everyone trolls.

[deborahkla.livejournal.com]

I don't believe I've called everyone here a troll, but I'll no longer use the term, and I apologize. However, I'm curious to know how one would define pastorlenny jumping in just to insult me.

[htpcl.livejournal.com]

A nuisance.

[deborahkla.livejournal.com]

LOL! I'll buy that. And a particularly irritating one for me.

[deborahkla.livejournal.com]

I've deleted my previous comment, and I apologize for calling you a troll. I'll leave that distinction to the moderators.

That said, how transparently juvenile of you to have left such a comment.