They just don't get it...

[green-man-2010.livejournal.com]

It turns out that a British diplomat turned up at the border and asked to be taken to rebel commanders in Libya. he had with him a detail from the SAS, a crack British Special Forces outfit, similar to the American Delta Force, only with stiffer upper lips and no chewing gum to hand out.

Anyways, the Libyan commanders didn't ask for, and didn't want any forign troops involved in what they see as 'their' struggle against Gaddaffi. So they captured the SAS guys and threw them into the brig, only releasing them unharmed once they had got the british diplomat out of their country.

http://news.antiwar.com/2011/03/05/libyan-rebels-capture-british-sas-unit/

So, there you have it. The Libyans are asking for a UN backed intervention in their struggle.
They want the UN , not the UK or the USA to send in any ground troops.

Seeing as if the rebels win, they are going to have to go to their own people and say that' we are not the sellouts to Western Powers like Gaddaffi was ( remember that the jets and tanks he is currently using to murder his own people were supplied by the same people who want to start an invasion) - well , i think it is only fair that they should be the ones who set the terms on how Gaddaffi is otten rid of. Ok, he has to go, nd his own people are the ones to take him down.

Ii don't see the military dictators and undemocratic despots who rule Arab League countries being very enthusiastic about establishing a bit more democracy in the world , somehow - esp. in a place like Libya.

And that leaves the UN. So, what is the UN for? UK/USA forces have basically been acting like the military wing of their countries corporate interests of late. i don't blame the Libyans for telling the SAS that they were unwelcome.

I do think that the Libyans have every right to appeal to the international community, via the UN , which pledges itself to uphold human rights , to which they belong , to give them a hand by way of enforcing a no fly zone and supporting the Libyan Ground forces with airstrikes on Gaddaffis mercenaries, together with his tanks and artillery.

I am suprised that the UK Government didn't get it that the age of gunboat diplomacy is over, but what else can we expect of ex public schoolboys like 'Call Me Dave'? Cameron and his cronies in the British foriegn office 'just don't get it' - but I hope that someone out there in the wider world does, and does what the rebels are begging the international community to give them without delay.

But if you disagree with the idea of airstrikes, and the Libyans are not going to co operate with any foriegn troops that they regard as 'invaders', then what role or position do we want the UN to adopt here? It has been said in this community that ' this is not what the UN is for - well, ok, what should it be doing instead?

Comments

[luvdovz.livejournal.com]

I dunno. All I know is, I like how Obama is staying away from this. The reasons could be complex"

a) can't afford to get into another war
b) you Euros whined about the US poking their nose everywhere? now it's your turn, suckas!
c) don't care about Libyan oil; let them Euros have it

[stewstewstewdio.livejournal.com]

.\All I know is, I like how Obama is staying away from this

Besides, the French military isn't particularly known for their attention span and stamina. If they decide to do a quick withdrawal, which is what America is hoping for as well, it is the reputation of France that is at stake, not the U.S.

[htpcl.livejournal.com]

Well, if you count not sending ground troops as "staying away", that is. He's sent planes, carriers, and has launched Tomahawk missiles. Doesn't sound like he's "staying away" unless you'd like to re-define that term.

[green-man-2010.livejournal.com]

well , good for him . it's more than cameron has managed, and if these American chaps manage to hit the gaddaffi positions and not the rebels, that can't be bad. they might even take out gaddaffi himself - after all, a man can dream , can't he?

[htpcl.livejournal.com]

Sure. One more dictator down. I'd buy you a beer for this.

Then what.

[jerseycajun.livejournal.com]

Might want to hold off on the beer 'till we see if/what replaces the guy.

[htpcl.livejournal.com]

Might want to return that beer afterwards - the hard way.

[jerseycajun.livejournal.com]

Forced regurgitation? Ouch.

[htpcl.livejournal.com]

The Romans did use to enjoy it. Over and over again.

[stewstewstewdio.livejournal.com]

The Romans did use to enjoy it

Sheeyah. And how are the Romans doing these days?

[htpcl.livejournal.com]

Pretty cool I'd say.









You know, la dolce vita.

[jerseycajun.livejournal.com]

You can't fool me, those are Italians. ;)

[htpcl.livejournal.com]

Yep. From Rome, even!

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Well, their system survived intact into the year 1204 AD and the last true inheritors of it disappeared in 1917 and 1922 respectively. All things considered for a system founded in 24 BCE that's not too bad.

[mrsilence.livejournal.com]

Oh much further back than that even.

Don't mistake the Imperium as the fundamental essence of Roman civilisation - in a way, the imperium was simply a adaptation to, and manifestation of, the pre-existing imperial (in the modern sense) manner and aspirations of Rome.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Well, true. The Roman system was structured to be more militarized than anything else of the time. What that meant both in terms of it being so damn successful in wars and that in turn leading to it being long-lived and influential raises a lot of questions about human beings as intelligent lifeforms most people would prefer not to ask.

[whoasksfinds.livejournal.com]

where are the drones?!

[htpcl.livejournal.com]

It's still too crowded up there, they're to follow after the smoke has settled.

[whoasksfinds.livejournal.com]

they seem like they'd be more accurate than tomahawk missiles.

[htpcl.livejournal.com]

The old tactic is well-known: first create shock'n'awe with a rain of bombs, then do the real job.

After all, CNN needs some footage, right? They've succumbed to Tweeting as of late.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

ROFL, I think that the situations in Algeria and the *first* Indo-China war argue otherwise. France's military has plenty of stamina, they do, however, have more sense on the whole than the United States, which tries over and over again to fight wars with no end goal or concept of victory.