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Dick Morris on Sean Hannity, 2/28/11:

We may at long last have a way to liberate our nation from the domination of those who should be our public servants but instead are frequently our union masters and free our politics from their financial power…What is at stake here really is freeing our schools so that we could keep good teachers and fire bad ones, freeing our state government so we don’t have high local taxes (and exactly how are those good teachers going to be paid?) and obliterating the financial power base of the Democratic Party.




The money quote is underlined above. This attack on collective bargaining is not about helping kids. It’s about establishing what amounts to a one-party system. Eliminate the power of unions and the G.O.P., with its corporate backing, gets to run things pretty much unopposed.

These people do not grasp the most basic principle of an open society – equal access to the political process as a voter and as a candidate.

Crossposted from Thoughtcrimes

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Date: 2/3/11 01:58 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
Where were the McCain Tea Party Birthers? When the FOX channel wasn't consider McCain the Democratic Nominee from Arizona, that is? Where were the crowds protesting that McCain was not a US citizen? Nowhere. But all the signs about "lying Africans" are present, and a sign that as in the days of Israel and Judah people return to their lies like a dog returning to its puke.

I linked this to you elsewhere.

They don't give a damn about abuse of government power. They just give a damn about *Democrats* doing what they were quite fine with 2 years ago.

They're concerned with economics. Fucking hell, man, read what you're replying to.

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Date: 2/3/11 02:00 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
You linked to a constitutional law scholar, not to the likes of Senator David Vitter. Where were the Tea Partiers against electing McCain because he might not be a US citizen? Are they a non-partisan grass-roots movement or are they not?

Yes, they're so concerned about it that they ban abortion and revive Sodomy Laws. Perfectly designed to reduce deficits, that is. I can just see how a government small enough to fit in the uterus and the bedroom will purge the country of things like 100 million dollar toilet seats.

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Date: 2/3/11 02:01 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
As those things cost the federal government money, you shouldn't be surprised. Unless, of course, you fundamentally misunderstand the movement. Which, in that case, means that you'll constantly be surprised.

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Date: 2/3/11 02:04 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Given that those things are the three biggest chunks of the Federal budget but are the sacred cows not to be harmed lest the wrath of Ahura Market be drawn upon the Tea Party.....but I forget, you sincerely believe that Tea Party representatives in the states and the Federal Congress aren't really the "Tea Party" and are unable to ever provide specifics, or even to show that in fact you know what this mythical "Tea Party" is about.

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Date: 2/3/11 02:09 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
Which is why Paul Ryan is leading the charge on reform. (http://www.roadmap.republicans.budget.house.gov/)

Which is why the movement has said the military can't be exempt (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/01/23/politics/main7274710.shtml). Why Tea Party Congresspeople helped kill the F-35 engine (http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/144349-tea-party-freshmen-on-spot-over-funding-for-jet-engine).

You have no clue what you're talking about right now. None whatsoever.

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Date: 2/3/11 02:11 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
To a deafening silence from the rest of the Tea Party. He and Rand Paul, kooks though they are, are the only ones with sufficient Cojones to do that.

It said that to jeers and derision from Rupert Murdoch's news stations.

Yes, they killed the F-35 years after everyone else *but* them realized it was never going to be anything but a waste of funds. And as I remembered, the GOP was willing to shoot down the Democratic budget but promised their own sometime in the summer.

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Date: 2/3/11 02:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
To a deafening silence from the rest of the Tea Party. He and Rand Paul, kooks though they are, are the only ones with sufficient Cojones to do that.

So, those are only two of many plans. Thus my point - you have no clue these things are going on.

Yes, they killed the F-35 years after everyone else *but* them realized it was never going to be anything but a waste of funds. And as I remembered, the GOP was willing to shoot down the Democratic budget but promised their own sometime in the summer.

You realize how the votes broke down? Right?

No, no, of course you don't.

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Date: 2/3/11 02:33 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Just like you've forgotten all the times where you in fact have claimed that state and local Tea Parties do not represent "Da T Partee".

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Date: 2/3/11 02:34 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
Also zero times, yes. As proven by you.

*sigh*

Date: 2/3/11 02:35 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geezer-also.livejournal.com
You seem to want to have it both ways.
If the reps that sought tea party support with promises of fiscal responsibility go back to the same ol' same ol' you can bet your sweet bippy they will not have tea party support in 2 years!!!!! (sorry about the laugh-in reference)

Re: *sigh*

Date: 2/3/11 03:18 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thies.livejournal.com
there are still the apparently somewhat correct claims that most of the teaparty is bankrolled by those who are commonly aligned with the elitist gop. if they withdraw their monetary lovins as their pawn has outlived his usefulness the teaparty will fold quickly enough.

Re: *sigh*

Date: 2/3/11 03:29 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geezer-also.livejournal.com
Fair enough, however most can be 51% (I have no idea what it is is, just saying)
I'm not sure it would fold, just go back to what it started out as, which in my observation was more of a "grass-roots thing than what it became. But then I'm an infernal optimist.

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