Cops and Teachers? THEY Don't Pay Taxes!

[paft.livejournal.com]

Wisconsin State Assemblyman Robin Vos lets us all know what he thinks of those taxpaying Wisconsin citizens who work in the public sector:

The reality is they haven’t had to pay for these things, they’re upset about doing it now, and the taxpayers are the ones who definitely understand this because they get it, they’ve been doing this in the private sector for years, it’s time we had the same thing happen in the public sector…The fact that my Democratic colleagues want to go back to the taxpayer and have them pay higher taxes because someone shouldn’t pay 12% towards their healthcare….We are standing with the taxpayers all across Wisconsin. It’s amazing the outpouring of support that we’ve been getting from the people outside the Capitol Square, the people who are in the reality of the world, not the place that we’re sitting.

Howard Dean does a very good job of refuting Kudlow and Vos’ fiction that the demonstrations are all about the cuts in benefits and not about the elimination of collective bargaining. The capper to this exchange, however, comes near the end of the segment, when a sign appears just over Vos’ shoulder on the right. Not the kind of thing Kudlow could choreograph.

It beautifully highlights the idiocy of Vos' fiction that the demonstrators are, in some fundamental way, less American than other Americans. Does he really think cops and teachers don't pay taxes, or “live in the reality of the world?”

Crossposted from Thoughtcrimes
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Comments

[whoasksfinds.livejournal.com]

Salaried employees can still get overtime for work done outside the officially allotted weekly timeframe.

yet teachers do not get paid overtime. you know why? because their job description was well known when teachers negotiated their salaries. deal with it paft. your sob stories are pathetic. .

[paft.livejournal.com]

You've completely lost track of this argument.

The teachers aren't protesting because they're not paid for that overtime. They're protesting because they don't want to lose their right to collective bargaining.

The issue of overtime and compensation came up because you were going on and on about how the idea of someone having a ten hour workday was just crazy-talk, why, you insisted, that would NEVER happen, and it's fear-mongering to say it would!

Now you've switched to emoting about how NATURAL a 10 hour workday is for teachers. Suddenly as 10 hour workday isn't crazytalk. It's to be expected!

You don't see how silly this makes you look?

[whoasksfinds.livejournal.com]

You've completely lost track of this argument.

no paft, i was addressing your response.

They're protesting because they don't want to lose their right to collective bargaining.

thats special.

how the idea of someone having a ten hour workday was just crazy-talk, why, you insisted, that would NEVER happen

no paft, i already explained to you that i was talking about the normal work week for hourly employees. did you lose track of the argument?

Suddenly as 10 hour workday isn't crazytalk. It's to be expected!

as i already explained, its well known that salaried employees often work more than 40 hours a week.

NATURAL a 10 hour workday is for teachers

its natural for a lot of salaried employees. a 37 week year is not though.

You don't see how silly this makes you look?

no, i see how poorly you have been comprehending the discussion. i can't say im surprised.

[paft.livejournal.com]

waf: thats special.

More histrionics. Does emoting like this make you feel better?

waf: no paft, i already explained to you that i was talking about the normal work week for hourly employees.

Actually, you were insisting a 10 hour work day was a ridiculous idea, period, and even went so far as to say "ive never had to work a 10 hour day in the private sector."

10 hour work days are the norm for teachers.

[whoasksfinds.livejournal.com]

Does emoting like this make you feel better?

no, but i think its pretty special that teachers are voicing their concerns. we also have a democratic process, for the rest of the taxpayers to voice theirs. deal with it.

Actually, you were insisting a 10 hour work day was a ridiculous idea, period

no, i was saying that you are a fearmonger for suggesting that this bill in wisconsin is going to lead to a 10 hour work day for hourly workers.

10 hour work days are the norm for teachers

perhaps for some. not for all. a 9 month work year is also the norm. they have it so rough don't they paft? i can almost hear the violin.

[paft.livejournal.com]

Paftf: Actually, you were insisting a 10 hour work day was a ridiculous idea, period
WAF: no, i was saying that you are a fearmonger for suggesting that this bill in wisconsin is going to lead to a 10 hour work day for hourly workers.

Sorry WAF, but the history of this thread is up there for anyone to see, and anyone reading it knows you were ridiculing the notion of 10 hour workdays PERIOD – including 10 hour workdays for public school teachers.

From you:

"OMG were gonna have to go back to 10 hour work days because of scott walker!"

"you are suggesting its somehow going to lead to a 10 hour workday and slave driver principals. its fear card 101."

[whoasksfinds.livejournal.com]

the history of this thread is up there for anyone to see, and anyone reading it knows you were ridiculing the notion of 10 hour workdays PERIOD

no paft, thats just the ridiculous spin you have to put on it. any rational person would know that i was explaining that the bill is wisconson does not put existing labor laws, that mandate 40 hour work weeks for hourly employees, in danger. and suggesting as much is just lefty fearmongering.

you are suggesting its somehow going to lead to a 10 hour workday

if teachers already work 10 hour days, why would this bill lead to a 10 hour workday? the fact is, this bill is not going to change existing labor laws that mandate a 40 hour work week for hourly employees. your inability to understand is simply a reflection of your own defeciencies in logical reasoning.

[paft.livejournal.com]

w: if teachers already work 10 hour days, why would this bill lead to a 10 hour workday?

It's not just teachers who'll be affected by it.

Take away unions as a force, and those laws currently on the books that were put there by labor won't be long for this world.

[whoasksfinds.livejournal.com]

Take away unions as a force

which returns us to your blatant fearmongering. nobody is taking away unions. unless you think giving individuals a choice in donating to their union is going to end them.

and those laws currently on the books that were put there by labor won't be long for this world

just more fearmongering.