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President Obama is preparing to give his 3rd State of the Union Address on Tuesday, January 25th. As he does so, he faces a new Congress with a Republican majority in the House that has already voted to repeal the administration's signature legislative accomplishment. Unemployment has remained well above 9% since July of 2009, and the economic recovery has many voters and analysts rethinking the meaning of the word "recovery". The President's approval rating have taken a beating since he assumed his office, and there have been many in the punditry who have assumed that the President has been irreversibly damaged by the political outcomes of the past year.

I cannot help, old fart that I am, but to be reminded of another holder of the office who was in fairly dire straights in the first half of his term in office. This President faced a recession not of his own making, high unemployment, lowering approval ratings and his party faced serious setbacks in Congress in his first midterm election.





Ronald Wilson Reagan -- 40th President of the United States of America

Now, obviously, that comparison doesn't hold in so far as the two Presidents are not pursuing the same agendas, and given the courtesy of distance and history, both scholars and partisans can either analyze or advocate President Reagan's accomplishments and contributions to American history, society and culture.

But I also think it is very important to recognize the President Ronald Reagan who held office (and whose 100th birthday is about to be recognized on February 6th of the this year) is not precisely the President Ronald Reagan of political mythology that his various admirers and partisans have elevated in the years since he left office. THAT President Reagan is offered to us as an unflinching champion of conservatism who upheld principle above all else, who single handedly rescued us from both economic malaise and international communism and who deserved to have his name attached to practically every project in federal reach even before his death in 2004.

The Ronald Reagan who held the office of President of the United States from January 1981 to January 1989 was a far more mortal figure. In his time, he was criticized and sometimes ridiculed:













When the President testified to the Tower Commission about the Iran/Contra affair and offered testimony that struck most observers as confused and befuddled and when after leaving office he testified again for the trial of John Poindexter and had trouble remembering names of members of his national security team, many of his political opponents took this as confirmation that the President's Alzheimer's disease had set in prior to the end of his administration. In fact, many of us sort of hoped that Phil Hartman's portrayal of the President was secretly correct:



Now, obviously, there will be plenty of people who did not and do not agree with these perceptions of President Reagan, but suffice it to say that his post-administration idolization is not reflective of how the entire public saw his Presidency, especially in his first two years.

It is true that Ronald Reagan entered the office at a time of deep economic discontent. The recession of the early 1980s was deep and difficult. In 1980, inflation was at 13.5%. The Federal Reserve jacked interest rates to 20% by June of 1981. The unemployment rate was 7.5% when Reagan took office and rose to 10.8% in December of 1982 and stayed above 10% through June of 1983. President Reagan's approval ratings took a sharp hit, dipping as low as 35% in January, 1983.

We, of course, know that this was not the end of the line for the Reagan Presidency. By 1983, the Federal Reserve's contractionary monetary policy had brought inflation down to 3.2%, and loosening the money policy helped reverse the recession. Joblessness fell to 7.2% by election day in 1984 and President Reagan won his landslide victory.

As a side note -- if you are even trying to argue with someone that President Obama was handed one of the biggest economic messes in modern history and are met with a persona responding by screaming BUT BUT BUT BUSH (a reply to critiques of Bush that I first heard from conservative bloggers when President Bush still had more than 6 months left in his term), it is worth noting that President Reagan's reelection theme was "It's Morning in America" -- meaning, "Carter screwed things up so bad, it finally took us 4 years to fix it"....

The President Reagan of reality doesn't match the President Reagan of myth in other ways as well. Ronald Reagan may have cut top marginal tax rates from their admittedly dizzying heights -- he also passed bills and made deals that effectively increased the federal governments tax reach (while leaving income taxes alone). Reagan the stalwart who did not waiver in the face of our enemies -- withdrew American forces from Beirut 4 months after pledging that Americans would stay in Beirut after the 1983 barracks bombing. And to be fair -- to contrast a liberal perception of Reagan as a died in the wool war monger who never saw a weapons system he did not embrance -- that same Ronald Reagan negotiated the Intermediate Range Forces Treaty with the USSR, a treaty that permanently banned an entire class of nuclear ballistic missile.

I'd be remiss if I did not mention that I think President Reagan had some advantages over President Obama regardless of what you think of either the ideas of or the political skills of either man:

First, Reagan had Paul Volcker. While I mentioned that the Fed had set off a steep recession with interest rates, it should be noted that this was done to put an end to the stagflation crisis of the 1970s. Using Milton Friedman's monetary theory of inflation Volcker put enormous pain on the economy to kill inflation, and when he finally took his foot off the brake, there was plenty of room for the economy to expand.

President Obama has an economy trying to recover from a very different kind of crisis, one that usually takes years to see real gains in employment under the best of circumstances. Further, Obama's Fed Chair simply doesn't have the tools Volcker could deploy -- interest rates have been historically low for years, and the Fed is more concerned about deflation than inflation. On the other hand, while Washington, D.C. figures have railed about $800 billion in fiscal stimulus spread over two years, the Fed has used monetary policy to add about another 2 trillion to the economy even before setting off another round of controversy with the recent "quantitative easing" plan.

Second, Ronald Reagan had Tip O'Neill. These two men may have been partisan politicians, but they also were of a generation of Washington politicians who could fight like hell on the Hill and then go out for a beer afterward. Reagan and O'Neill famously worked together in 1983 on a plan that kept Social Security solvent.

We will see what President Obama has in Speaker of the House John Boehner, but I think we already know what he has in Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell. Approve or disapprove of how he has run the minority caucus, it is not disputable that Senator McConnell has managed to use the Senate's procedural rules not simply to slow down controversial bills and appointees but to reduce the pace of everything to a crawl, and, despite his protestations to wanting to work with the President, he has done so from day one.

Finally, Ronald Reagan had a very different media environment. There was no internet, so that day's "bloggers" had to use far less effective methods like pamphlets and fliers. CNN was founded in 1980, so there the 24 hour a days news business was in its very infancy. The typical news model was a morning news report at breakfast, a short noon update and the evening news -- instead of today's environment that requires a constant stream of content that rarely gets vetted before going on air. I won't pretend that it was a glorious age of objective journalism -- but what it was was a much easier news environment to understand. And Reagan was exceptionally skilled at using media for communication in an age when he was not immediately pounced upon by 1000 voices ranging from sensible opposition to absolutely batshit crazy.

With all of that in mind, the lesson is that Presidencies are deemed successful or failures far too prematurely -- and often based upon hindsight that is far from 20/20. Do you see potential for the second half of President Obama's first term to teach us a similar lesson?

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Date: 20/1/11 23:17 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Thank you for pointing out the obvious. The real Reagan was someone I'd disagree with but he also had his good points. I do get amusement from Reagan getting credit for the fall of the USSR for essentially his speech at the Berlin Wall, where GHWB gets no credit at all for any of it. Reagan was astute enough to behave like a statesman while giving lip service to what his base wanted to hear, knowing they'd believe that was what was happening as opposed to what he actually wanted done. That's a lesson Boehner and McConnell will have to learn the hard way.

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Date: 21/1/11 00:51 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
I liked Reagan's speech about how we and the Soviets would join together if say, invaders from space threatened.

And then there's the visit...

Date: 21/1/11 01:45 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
... to the cemetery at Bitburg. That was a great coup for Reagan. It showed the world that an American president has no fear of being associated with Nazi soldiers. I especially appreciated the fact that the wreaths he laid at Bitburg were much larger than the ones he laid at the graves of some American presidents in Massachusetts. It showed where his heart really stood.
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Re: And then there's the visit...

Date: 21/1/11 14:06 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
That doesn't really change anything. The Wehrmacht was every bit as keen on the massacres as the SS was, that the SS were turned into the scapegoats for the military reflected that nobody in Germany particularly liked the blackshirts in the first place. But yes, it is interesting that people focus overmuch on the SS WRT that.

Re: And then there's the visit...

Date: 21/1/11 14:07 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
I for one find it interesting that everybody likes to talk about his visiting the SS soldiers' graves even though the Wehrmacht had just as many atrocities to its record and much of its officer corps was Diehard Nazis.
From: [identity profile] sandwichwarrior.livejournal.com
...we(as a nation) could do a lot worse than a Left-wing Ronald Reagan. As much as I dislike him politically he is the president and I want him to do well.


I always enjoy your bloom county posts.


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Date: 20/1/11 23:53 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anadinboy.livejournal.com
the reason reagan had such a free hand was because jane fonda was busy with her f***ing aerobics for that decade!

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Date: 21/1/11 06:15 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com
Time cube, dude.

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Date: 21/1/11 18:32 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com
Did you ever hear about Jane's antiwar work?

Sir, No Sir! (http://www.sirnosir.com/) documents her story a bit.

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Date: 21/1/11 00:11 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
I know in at least one biography of Reagan, they stated several close friends noticed a definite drop in his sharpness after the assassination attempt in 1981, when Reagan nearly died. And his son has mentioned just this week, the effects of Alzheimer's may have been affecting him in the last year of his presidency- and had Reagan known the diagnosis while he was president, he would have stepped down.

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Date: 21/1/11 00:30 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
Didn't Ron Jr contradict himself? Not that anyone else seems to be buying his story anyway, but still.

Besides, people's idea of Alzheimer's tends to be solely based on the endgame - it's amazing how completely functional sufferers are for quite a while.

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Date: 21/1/11 01:05 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
Assuming Reagan's trajectory was anything like my mother's is? I'm not so sure.

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Date: 21/1/11 01:33 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
When Maria Shriver was speaking about her father being able to recite the Hail Mary without a single mistake, but not knowing who she was (Maria)--- it reminded me of my own experiences with my mom. Absolutely heart breaking.

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Date: 21/1/11 05:26 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com
My great-grandfather couldn't remember his own son, but when my brother played the violin, you could see the streets of New York in his eyes. Well, behind his tears that is.

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Date: 21/1/11 02:26 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrbogey.livejournal.com
'Didn't Ron Jr contradict himself? '

Well he certainly said things happened that seemingly run counter to actual documented historical fact.

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Date: 21/1/11 02:28 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
I've been quite busy the last few days, I could have sworn some blog had found writings from Ron Jr that had said differently. I can't find it, though.

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Date: 21/1/11 02:33 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrbogey.livejournal.com
Could be. I've been personally busy all this month.

All I've had time to do is roll my eyes at the inane chatter as of late.

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Date: 21/1/11 01:09 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
Yeah when he was elected, I wondered if he would live to finish his term out because of Tecumsah's curse.

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Date: 21/1/11 00:29 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
I was convinced you were going to take the Clinton direction here.

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Date: 21/1/11 01:04 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
Yeah, that's where my overall surprise came from, and I hadn't thought of it in that context. I've been too busy thinking in the "is he Clinton or Carter" box when I hadn't thought of this fairly obvious possibility.

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Date: 21/1/11 00:49 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
I thought you were going with Chancellor Palpatine...

Do you remember...

Date: 21/1/11 01:51 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
How about that joke that was making the rounds about Reagan's magic swimming pool. He had Gorby and Kohl over to try it out. The punch line was something about how long it takes to pour a pils.

The Reagan legacy: MS-13 and the Taliban.

Re: Do you remember...

Date: 21/1/11 14:08 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Nah, it's not fair to blame Reagan for the Taliban. He is to blame for letting the Afghan Civil War become permanently enshrined. The Taliban, however, showed up in the 1990s, well after Reagan was out of office.

Re: Do you remember...

Date: 23/1/11 00:10 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
Good point. By that logic, Karl Marx had nothing to do with the Russian Revolution.

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Date: 21/1/11 05:07 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com
All I remember from the Reagan years as a child was the endless and ubiquitous phrase "Iran-Contra". Every single damn night on the news. I had no fucking idea what was going on. And that video/picture of good ole Ollie holding his hand up. WTF? What is this nonsense. I'm going to go play GI Joe.

One of my favorites...

Date: 23/1/11 00:12 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
... is a spoof on Oliver North where he hosts a radio show. People call in with problems and Oliver North says, "I assume all responsibility."

The Reagan era was the time of, "Mistakes were made."

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Date: 21/1/11 07:37 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oportet.livejournal.com
In my lifetime, I've only seen one president not get re-elected. I'm not on the same side of the seesaw as Obama, I disagree with him on plenty of things - but he could be doing worse I suppose. His legacy? The left will say it was a prosperous time, the right will say it was a disaster. I probably (and hopefully) won't have a deeper view of it than 'I lived through it'. Same goes for the next guy or gal that promises a whole bunch of shit in 2016.

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Date: 21/1/11 14:59 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jlc20thmaine.livejournal.com
While there are some similarities in the economic situations of the 80s and 10s, the huge difference is that Reagan trusted people, was a leaderand worked with dems while obama wants bigger government, and is nothing more than a puppet who can't even get his own party in line without bribery.

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Date: 21/1/11 19:01 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] capthek.livejournal.com
Interestingly though if you look at economic growth and unemployment, the really bad stuff happened more definitely after Reagan was elected rather than during Carters years but everybody simply blamed Carter while our economic problems were hugely apparent even before Obama was elected much less sworn into office or had any of his policies put into place, and yet the right still tried to bind our current economic problems on Obama rather than Bush.

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Date: 22/1/11 00:18 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reality-hammer.livejournal.com
While Obama is appearing to lean to the right, as Clinton did after 1994, Reagan's policies of lower marginal tax rates, fewer regulations and tightening up of the tax code had already borne fruit by this time (after the recession's start).

For Reagan the third year of his term was one of unending good economic news, including growth rates of 8%. We are nowhere near that point this time around.

Even the Fed is running against history, continuing to flood the market with money when post-1980 consensus was to reign in the "velocity" of money.

As for the Social Security "fix", that's not something I'd point to as an achievement. It was sold as a permanent fix and as we have seen was merely another attempt to push the day of reckoning past the retirement age of current politicians.

As for Beruit, Reagan pulled the troops out when their presence (no matter how ill-advised) was no longer needed. Without them Israel and Syria probably would have gone to war.