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My only source for news is the Internet. Currently, most of the media outlets (websites) I'd visit in the event of a big news story have a photograph of the Arizona shooter's face on their main pages (The New York Times, Fox News, CNN, Huffington Post, Drudge Report have it up; MSNBC and NPR don't).
This leads me to ask, Does the prospect of fame incentivize mass killing / killing of famous people?
Let's say we lack empirical evidence to answer the question. Is it not enough that making criminals famous may incentivize others to commit like crimes for media outlets to consider, you know, not making criminals famous?
How do decision makers in media justify making criminals famous? A journalist's duty is to provide the public information that the public is interested in?
What I'm saying is— cover the story, just do it in a tactful manner. This makes me consider why I'm able to see the Virgina Tech shooter's face in my mind's eye, or Tim McVeigh's, or Charles Manson's. Maybe there's a parallel dimension someplace with a society that doesn't repeatedly and consistently make insane people who do big bad things famous.
I'm sure many, maybe most, will disagree with my premise, but I'm looking at the portrait of that guy right now— at his crazy Manson eyes and his smirk, and I can't help but think that he appreciates and enjoys the attention, as McVeigh did, I'm sure, and Manson did and does. So, why as a society do we all agree to reward behavior most of us do not want?
This leads me to ask, Does the prospect of fame incentivize mass killing / killing of famous people?
Let's say we lack empirical evidence to answer the question. Is it not enough that making criminals famous may incentivize others to commit like crimes for media outlets to consider, you know, not making criminals famous?
How do decision makers in media justify making criminals famous? A journalist's duty is to provide the public information that the public is interested in?
What I'm saying is— cover the story, just do it in a tactful manner. This makes me consider why I'm able to see the Virgina Tech shooter's face in my mind's eye, or Tim McVeigh's, or Charles Manson's. Maybe there's a parallel dimension someplace with a society that doesn't repeatedly and consistently make insane people who do big bad things famous.
I'm sure many, maybe most, will disagree with my premise, but I'm looking at the portrait of that guy right now— at his crazy Manson eyes and his smirk, and I can't help but think that he appreciates and enjoys the attention, as McVeigh did, I'm sure, and Manson did and does. So, why as a society do we all agree to reward behavior most of us do not want?
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Date: 11/1/11 06:30 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 11/1/11 09:11 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 11/1/11 09:28 (UTC)2. Anti-government attitudes are prevalent in the wider society in which Jared lives and via the political material Jared is exposed to.
3. Thus, Jared Loughner's attitudes reflect attitudes prevalent in wider society.
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Date: 11/1/11 17:22 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 11/1/11 20:01 (UTC)"It seems clear based on Loughner's YouTube videos and MySpace page that he held a grudge against the U.S. government - and that he had had become obsessed with Giffords, the local embodiment of that government."
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20028022-503544.html?tag=stack
You disagree with that? Explain your disagreement.
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Date: 11/1/11 21:58 (UTC)http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/01/loughners_grudge_against_giffo.html
List of Anti-Government Characteristics Of Loughner
Date: 12/1/11 00:01 (UTC)2. Loughner's interest in rejection of U.S. currency because it is not backed by a gold standard is a core idea of anti-government militia or Patriot movements.
3. Loughner's books of interest - 1984 and Mein Kampf - are anti-government.
4. A Dept. of Homeland Security memo states that Loughner has possible links to American Renaissance, an anti-government group.
5. One video posted to Loughner's Youtube account is of a masked man burning a U.S. flag and a second video includes the words, "Don't trust the current government, listener!"
6. "On both the MySpace and YouTube web pages, Loughner mentions his concern over literacy rates and the fact that few people speak English. He also talks about his distrust of the government" .... "I can't trust the current government because of fabrications," Loughner wrote in a YouTube slide presentation.
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Date: 12/1/11 19:52 (UTC)No, I did not say that. Why do people continue to make up stuff in their heads that people don't say and then claim they said it? What is wrong with all you people. And to cut off you making that into something I didn't say also, yes, I'm lumping you in with every single other human on the planet.
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Date: 12/1/11 20:02 (UTC)"None of which is why he targeted her."
to mean this:
"[N]one of the anti-government ideas is important in Loughner's mind."
Are you saying that this first is different than the second? How?
If multiple people are seemingly misinterpreting what you say, have you considered that the reason is you (the way you communicate) and not them (the way they interpret)?
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Date: 13/1/11 02:26 (UTC)It's not just what I say.
"why he targeted her" =/= "why he killed people"
His anti-gov't ideas are likely part of the reason why he killed someone in gov't. Why he killed her in particular is not because of his anti-gov't ideas.
Re: List of Anti-Government Characteristics Of Loughner
Date: 13/1/11 02:41 (UTC)- Anti-gov't ideas likely explain why Loughner killed "someone in gov't."
- Giffords is "someone in gov't."
- Yet it is illogical to consider that anti-gov't ideas may have led Loughner to try to kill Giffords.
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Date: 11/1/11 17:23 (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 11/1/11 19:44 (UTC)He is dumb. Not schizophrenic.
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Date: 11/1/11 21:54 (UTC)So do schizophrenics.
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Date: 11/1/11 21:57 (UTC)No it isn't. RTFM.
So do schizophrenics.
RTFM
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Date: 11/1/11 22:01 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 11/1/11 22:02 (UTC)So, since you're claiming to know better than other medical professionals, you're a super-psychiatrist?
I have several medical professionals who agree with my assessment. There goes that line of argument.
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Date: 11/1/11 22:07 (UTC)Can you give a theoretical, psychiatric pathology for his grammar beliefs?
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