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talkpoliticsMy only source for news is the Internet. Currently, most of the media outlets (websites) I'd visit in the event of a big news story have a photograph of the Arizona shooter's face on their main pages (The New York Times, Fox News, CNN, Huffington Post, Drudge Report have it up; MSNBC and NPR don't).
This leads me to ask, Does the prospect of fame incentivize mass killing / killing of famous people?
Let's say we lack empirical evidence to answer the question. Is it not enough that making criminals famous may incentivize others to commit like crimes for media outlets to consider, you know, not making criminals famous?
How do decision makers in media justify making criminals famous? A journalist's duty is to provide the public information that the public is interested in?
What I'm saying is— cover the story, just do it in a tactful manner. This makes me consider why I'm able to see the Virgina Tech shooter's face in my mind's eye, or Tim McVeigh's, or Charles Manson's. Maybe there's a parallel dimension someplace with a society that doesn't repeatedly and consistently make insane people who do big bad things famous.
I'm sure many, maybe most, will disagree with my premise, but I'm looking at the portrait of that guy right now— at his crazy Manson eyes and his smirk, and I can't help but think that he appreciates and enjoys the attention, as McVeigh did, I'm sure, and Manson did and does. So, why as a society do we all agree to reward behavior most of us do not want?
This leads me to ask, Does the prospect of fame incentivize mass killing / killing of famous people?
Let's say we lack empirical evidence to answer the question. Is it not enough that making criminals famous may incentivize others to commit like crimes for media outlets to consider, you know, not making criminals famous?
How do decision makers in media justify making criminals famous? A journalist's duty is to provide the public information that the public is interested in?
What I'm saying is— cover the story, just do it in a tactful manner. This makes me consider why I'm able to see the Virgina Tech shooter's face in my mind's eye, or Tim McVeigh's, or Charles Manson's. Maybe there's a parallel dimension someplace with a society that doesn't repeatedly and consistently make insane people who do big bad things famous.
I'm sure many, maybe most, will disagree with my premise, but I'm looking at the portrait of that guy right now— at his crazy Manson eyes and his smirk, and I can't help but think that he appreciates and enjoys the attention, as McVeigh did, I'm sure, and Manson did and does. So, why as a society do we all agree to reward behavior most of us do not want?
Re: List of Anti-Government Characteristics Of Loughner
Date: 14/1/11 00:49 (UTC)A person's actions can not be explained by any prior action that is not the most immediate, the most present.
The world according to gunslnger. I'll try to keep that in mind in future conversations.
Re: List of Anti-Government Characteristics Of Loughner
Date: 14/1/11 02:02 (UTC)Re: List of Anti-Government Characteristics Of Loughner
Date: 14/1/11 02:33 (UTC)- Loughner's anti-gov't attitudes are why Loughner decided to "kill someone gov't related"
- However, Loughner's anti-gov't attitudes are not why Loughner targeted Giffords.
I assert:
- IF Loughner's anti-gov't attitudes are not why Loughner targeted Giffords, THEN "A person's actions [e.g. Loughner's targeting] can not be explained by any prior action [e.g. Loughner's anti-gov't attitudes] that is not the most immediate, the most present [e.g. Loughner's disdain for Giffords re-election]."
What statment is not equivalent to what statment?
Re: List of Anti-Government Characteristics Of Loughner
Date: 14/1/11 09:25 (UTC)This is accurate to what I claimed.
Then you said:
This is not an accurate translation of the first sentence. You transformed a specific "why target" into a general "any explanation".