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60 Minutes had an segment on John Boehner Sunday evening. Many on the left are making a big deal of how much he cries (calling him Weeper-of-the-House), suggesting that if Speaker Pelosi had been as emotional, the right wingers would have had a field day with it. Leslie Stahl also noticed the frequency of Boehner's crying, and was honestly taken aback by it and asked him about it. Despite his reputation as being a rich guy who loves to play golf with lobbyists, Boehner's personal life-story is a traditional American success story, the 2nd oldest of 12 children (!), devout Roman Catholic (went to daily Mass), and from a family that were Kennedy Democrats, and Boehner worked as a janitor for 7 years while going to college. It's a nice piece and certainly gives you a lot of insights to the man. I would highly recommend it, I learned a lot about him. Apparently Boehner and Ted Kennedy were the best of friends and Boehner thought highly of him.





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Date: 13/12/10 21:54 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pattyoplenty.livejournal.com
Hmm...facts I didn't know. Thanks for sharing, although I do think he needs to tone down the water works just a tad.
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Date: 13/12/10 22:27 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pattyoplenty.livejournal.com
lolz...Debbie Downer....:)
I tend to find Beck a tad precious himself with the emotional stuff, so I don't know about him...O'Reilly, I'm not quite sure where he stands tbh...he's all over the map with his ideology...one moment he's conservative, the next he's moderate...it's like Sybil or something. Rush, yeah, most likely.

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Date: 13/12/10 22:07 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pattyoplenty.livejournal.com
Nah, I don't think it's an act...I think he's just an emotional person. I've seen him like this before with the weepiness.

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Date: 14/12/10 01:46 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
In politics one of those is as real as the other.

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Date: 13/12/10 22:11 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reality-hammer.livejournal.com
There's a difference between shedding a tear because you are overcome with positive emotions and crying out of fear/anger/frustration.

He's not my favorite politician but not because he sheds a tear every now and then.

I should also add that Ohio seems to have a larger than normal share of politicians who are a bit weepy. :P
Edited Date: 14/12/10 00:14 (UTC)

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Date: 14/12/10 01:45 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Well, they border Kentucky.....

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Date: 14/12/10 21:17 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] il-mio-gufo.livejournal.com
I think Ohio has been experiencing high (http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/521257/data_collected_over_eight_years_show_mercury_levels_47_higher/index.html) levels (http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2010/01/16/mercury.html) of environmental mercury (http://www.ehw.org/Air_Pollution/AIR_MercuryPR3-23-04.htm) for quite some time now :( maybe on account of all the steel mills?

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Date: 13/12/10 22:12 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ddstory.livejournal.com
Men who cry are sweet. Period.

I also like his orange face. I remember Jon Stewart joking that the Orange minority finally has its representative in power. :)

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Date: 14/12/10 00:16 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reality-hammer.livejournal.com
It's too bad he doesn't represent the Jersey shore.

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Date: 14/12/10 08:16 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
Hey, I cry too. Can I haz a hug?
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Date: 13/12/10 23:47 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aannnndy.livejournal.com
Crying is natural! Of course, I tend to cry over things people would not cry over but never cry when everyone else is bawling! exclamation point!

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Date: 13/12/10 23:53 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dreadfulpenny81.livejournal.com
Crying is a natural, emotional response and criticizing someone for crying is just plain gutless.

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Date: 14/12/10 00:11 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mylaptopisevil.livejournal.com
I like Boehner because he allows conservatives to do mental acrobatics that suddenly justify behavior normally portrayed by their party as weak and feminine actions which in turn translate to poor leadership skills.

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Date: 14/12/10 00:51 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mylaptopisevil.livejournal.com
This must be the new "but we always hated Bush's policies!" moment.

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Date: 14/12/10 00:23 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mijopo.livejournal.com
yeah, yeah, crying is great and sensitive and all that. But come on, the GOP speaker of the house breaks down crying at the general mention of children hospitals and Leslie Stahl thinks he needs to toughen up ...

proof in the pudding

Date: 14/12/10 01:06 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mylaptopisevil.livejournal.com
When Hillary cried, she was either weak as a politician or cheap and insincere. But now? Crying is emotional honesty and a sign of a leader who cares.

"'It's not easy, it’s not easy, and I couldn't do it if I just didn't passionately believe it was the right thing to do,' she said. 'I have so many opportunities for this country. I don't want to see us all fall back,' she said, her voice breaking in the last phrase. 'This is very personal for me,' she said to supportive applause from the small gathering, at which she'd been discussing policy around a table for an hour. 'It's not just political, it's not just public -- I see what's happening. We have to reverse it.'" So she teared up out there à la Ed Muskie. Will it hurt? Will it help? A sedate event where a question of how she gets her hair done on a daily basis is what gets reported. A female asked that question. They call me the sexist. You don't cry in politics just like you don't cry in baseball. Did you see the Democrat debate on Saturday night? You want to hear Mrs. Clinton lose it? She lost her temper. If she had an ashtray, she might have thrown it.
(Rush Limbaugh (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_010708/content/01125110.guest.html.guest.html))


Sometimes, it's usual to have a heart of stone. I don't believe it was genuine. I think no Clinton cries without calculating first. And I think this if it was genuine it was entirely solipsistic and narcissistic. It is all about her. Why is she crying for the country? Is Barack Obama not going to be liberal enough for her? Is Barack Obama not going to appoint the kinds of people she wants to the Supreme Court? Is Barack Obama not a stronger candidate in the general election than her? She's crying for herself, and I don't even believe it is genuine. I think it is entirely calculated.
(William Kristol (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,321025,00.html))


I don't buy the hype of the tears. I don't think you should, either. Apparently, Hillary Clinton isn't just running for president, but she's also making a run for the best actress nomination. And here's how I got there. Believe me, I know what it's like to get caught off guard and break down occasionally. I mean, I cry on this freaking show like every 10 minutes, so don't get me wrong here. I get it. And I appreciate somebody who can cry. But I'm a big sissy in a purple shirt, and I'm not running for the leader of the free world. You know what I'm saying?
(Glenn Beck (http://mediamatters.org/research/200801090005))

Re: proof in the pudding

Date: 14/12/10 01:25 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mylaptopisevil.livejournal.com
I'm curious to see if they'll be consistent in their views on politicians crying, or if suddenly it will be appropriate to cry and when a conservative does it, it is very sincere and honest and not political at all.

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Date: 14/12/10 02:32 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pattyoplenty.livejournal.com
As a conservative, I only want to see a politician crying over the loss of a loved one, or some major tragedy like 9/11 or something...anything else needs to be done behind closed doors into their pillow.

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Date: 14/12/10 01:45 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Works for Glenn "Bircher" Beck, so no reason it wouldn't work for this assclown. The Right likes its men as crybaby whiners.

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Date: 14/12/10 02:31 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
*looks at every Glenn Beck show where he cries in every. damned. one. of. them.*

[citation needed]

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Date: 14/12/10 02:34 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pattyoplenty.livejournal.com
Dennis Miller said it best, "Glenn Beck is a little too precious". And yeah, the cry baby crappy bugs me as well.

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Date: 14/12/10 02:43 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xforge.livejournal.com
Especially since they broadcast him putting Vicks Mentholatum in his eyes and saying he was starting to get resistant to it?

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Date: 14/12/10 08:15 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
Excuse me, have you been trolling?

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Date: 14/12/10 18:45 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Hell fucking no.

Just taking this: Image and pointing out how Beck has made millions of dollars doing it, hence Boehner's just doing what works.

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Date: 14/12/10 19:44 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
Huge image is huge. :-(

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Date: 14/12/10 02:26 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com
*sets his whiskey down*

Talk to me when he runs out of tears.

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Date: 14/12/10 02:53 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xforge.livejournal.com
Choked up over a couple million little kids going without health insurance or a decent school lunch: one thing

Choked up because a few dozen billionaires who don't even WANT tax cuts might not get them: another thing entirely

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Date: 14/12/10 05:18 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] retrofire.livejournal.com
To me when he cries he is like a cartoon character, an orange smurf. When he cries it makes me wonder if he is also a bed wetter, not that there would be anything wrong with that.

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Date: 14/12/10 06:14 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harry-beast.livejournal.com
I don't think it's unreasonable for people to expect leaders to be strong and to inspire confidence. Excessive and indiscriminate crying undermines the guy's credibility, and he should get a grip on it.

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Date: 14/12/10 20:53 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] il-mio-gufo.livejournal.com
help me out here, i'm trying to recall whether or not the nation has ever seen a red-head leader? Hmmmmmm

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Date: 14/12/10 21:00 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] il-mio-gufo.livejournal.com
I'm sure going to miss Pelosi Image

Not me.

Date: 14/12/10 23:58 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
She still represents our fair city. Once she is no longer Speaker, perhaps she will spend more time actually representing San Francisco.

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