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Being in the United States is at times like a family reunion, you know the ones where you have some crazy ass uncle(s) who get a few whispered guffaws in the kitchen, and everyone cackles whenever they say something. While everyone unfairly picks on West Virginia (wink wink), and Arizona may have the maverick senator dude, and that wild and whacky governor, and then Alaska gave us the hockey-mom/pitbull with lipstick as a vice presidential candidate. But without a doubt, hands-down, Texas qualifies as this nation's crazy uncle at family reunions.



* Nearly 1/3 of Texans believe dinosaurs and humans roamed the Earth at the same time.

* Nearly 40 percent agreed with the statement "God created human beings pretty much in their present form about 10,000 years ago."

* Most of the Texans in the survey — 51 percent — disagree with the statement, "human beings, as we know them today, developed from earlier species of animals.

* Democrats (28 percent) are less likely than Republicans (47 percent) to think that humans have always existed in their present form and more likely (21 percent to 7 percent) to think humans have developed over millions of years without God's guidance.

* The head of the Texas School Board of Education (appointed by the governor Rick Perry - R) is an avowed Creationist.

Texas is a key state for any presidential aspirations since its the 3rd largest block of electors, and it's also a powerhouse in Congress, with 32 representatives in the United States House of Representatives.




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* Source: University of Texas / Texas Tribune poll. PDF here.

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Date: 24/10/10 18:43 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
Fascinating. Which century are we talking about, again?

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Date: 24/10/10 19:33 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Actually creationism's a rather newer idea than people think. The original Thomist position was that if Science and Scripture disagreed Science won out. The irony thus is that people in the 13th Century were more willing to yield the Bible to science than people in the 19th Century (or 21st).

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Date: 24/10/10 19:38 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
When you're saying "people", do you mean "people in America" or "people around the world"? Because I've yet to see creationism being taken seriously anywhere outside the Bible Belt.

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Date: 24/10/10 19:44 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
In the United States. It first existed in Europe, after all. The discoverer of the Dinosauria was a relatively famous Creationist. So actually was Lyell.

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Date: 24/10/10 19:46 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
I know. I'm talking about its prevalence NOW. Well actually I checked through the info and I found out it's even more prevalent in Turkey. Also Islamic Creationism is prominent at the moment, etc. But I'm not sure the US would like to compare itself to the Islamic world. ;-)

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Date: 24/10/10 19:48 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Eh, our best bud when it comes to things like gay rights in international law and the Treaty on the Rights of the Child is none other than the Islamic Republic of Iran so I daresay that won't set the hearts of the Department for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice a-flutter. ;P.

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Date: 24/10/10 19:59 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
Are you sure you're still as neutral regarding the GOP/GNP dichotomy as you used to claim you were? ;-)

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Date: 24/10/10 20:15 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
Sorry, I meant the Democrats.

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Date: 24/10/10 18:59 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] devil-ad-vocate.livejournal.com
As a third generation Texan, I protest! Every intelligent Texan knows baby Jesus didn't have a pet dinosaur.

He had a pet mammoth named "Winky".

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Date: 24/10/10 19:26 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] devil-ad-vocate.livejournal.com
I had a snake once that trained itself to crap all over the inside of its aquarium.

Even with that low level of intelligence, he was a genius compared to the woman who heads the State Board of Education.

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Date: 24/10/10 21:01 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] devil-ad-vocate.livejournal.com
I'm going to have to smother you with your pillow while you sleep... it's the only way to stop the madness. ;)

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Date: 24/10/10 19:21 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] prog-expat.livejournal.com
Especially if young Jesus accidentally did that duplication trick he was later famous for doing with bread and fish.

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Date: 24/10/10 19:25 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] prog-expat.livejournal.com
Correction: multiplication trick...no mere doubling!

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Date: 24/10/10 19:49 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
I'm sure it was a very Herculean task.

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Date: 24/10/10 19:31 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
One question I've always wanted to ask creationists is how if all the prehistoric creatures co-existed the sauropods didn't eat everything to extinction. Sauropods in any sufficient numbers would make elephants look like pikers in terms of environmental damage/degradation. And if we're talking the colossi like Amphicoelias fragilimis then it gets into even bigger problems.

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Date: 24/10/10 19:43 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
I now wonder how Jack Chick explains the existence of the atomic bomb if Sub-Atomic particles don't exist and what he considers Hiroshima and Nagasaki to have been.

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Date: 24/10/10 20:40 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] prog-expat.livejournal.com
I'm sure he has a tract on his site somewhere with a strawman of a scientist dealing with that very topic.

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Date: 24/10/10 20:52 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
See the thing I was getting at was this: If Jesus is holding atoms together instead of the Strong and Weak Nuclear forces, then what does that make atomic bombs? By Fundamentalist logic the Bomb is blowing Jesus up over and over again. So they should be probably the biggest cohort of the anti-nuke crowd, LOL.

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Date: 24/10/10 21:06 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] prog-expat.livejournal.com
Nah, Jesus just lets go on select atoms. America's atomic bombs were divine retribution, and the Soviets' bombs worked just to remind us to dot our Is and cross out Ts.

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Date: 25/10/10 03:30 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chipuni.livejournal.com
Atomic bombs happen by making Baby Jesus cry.

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Date: 24/10/10 23:13 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] omnot.livejournal.com
Possibly subscribes to the theory outlined in the novel "The Jesus Factor". (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jesus_Factor_%28novel%29)

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Date: 24/10/10 21:31 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] star-white.livejournal.com
haha the portrait of "our father" in the first panel made me LOL. Our father who art in the trees, delicious be thy Banana.

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Date: 24/10/10 19:40 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Another is how given that they date the Flood to 2348 BC, it was possible for Pharaoh Teti to have a pyramid built when the entire planet was swamped: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/7723477.stm Some global flood that was.

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Date: 24/10/10 19:57 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
Why Noah didn't take dinosaurs aboard
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Date: 24/10/10 20:00 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Actually if he'd brought an Amphicoelias fragilimus on that boat and it was at all in its growth spurt it would have sunk the boat on its weight alone. And that's not even counting the titanosaurids and brachiosaurids, and it only gets worse if one considers the maximum weight estimates.

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Date: 24/10/10 21:25 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] star-white.livejournal.com
what started that fire? can dinosaurs breath fire? Or was that the burning bush that a dinosaur tail knocked over?

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Date: 24/10/10 21:31 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
In Cretinist theology Leviathan was a cross between the Loch Ness Monster and Godzilla. No explanation for the verses referring to its seven heads.

Just remember...

Date: 24/10/10 22:56 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
Every time you masturbate, God kills a kitten.

Re: Just remember...

Date: 25/10/10 03:32 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chipuni.livejournal.com
Every time a girl masturbates, God creates a puppy.

Won't anyone think about the puppies?

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Date: 24/10/10 21:02 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] star-white.livejournal.com
If they showed Jesus riding dinosaurs more often, I wouldn't have left the church so easily as a child.

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Date: 25/10/10 00:11 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] star-white.livejournal.com
Because they are big and scary just like adults.

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Date: 25/10/10 10:41 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] star-white.livejournal.com
Haha yes well we can only hope that they too will go extinct.
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
Texas always reminds me of November 22, 1963.

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