I have seen the future, and I doesn't like it.

[green-man-2010.livejournal.com]

Life after the oil crash.
Ok, last time, I went and pinned it on a vid that most people cannot read at work.
So I am letting y'all boot up something you can read quitely when you oght to be working :)

http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/

In case you have trouble reading graphs, this one has a Blue Peter style 'talk you through the implications' - complete with original sources, for those who wanna check.

It might seem like I am doom mongering , but I just want to say -
Let's put more into Planned Parenthood, make it optional, but make it a damned sight easier at home and abroad.

Let's have oil rationing, sooner rather than later. Let's also have everything rationed if it's made with oil.

let's try to be civilised about the few resources left and share them out among ourselves.

Let's start reducing consumption , reusing things and recycling more.

let's remember that civilisation as we know it will be over by 2050, if it lasts that long.

Comments

[green-man-2010.livejournal.com]

It may suprise you to know, but large swathes of Europe ( France, Germany, Sweden, to name a few) have ben doing exactly this sort of thing for decades. And their IRMs are lower than the USAs.

Sure, it requires others to provide it, and in Christian countries, there is no shortage of young men and women wanting to leave school and become Doctors , nurses, teachers, carpenters and bricklayes as well as architects, in ordr thatt they may serve society and give people the things that they need.

As to whether giving people housing, education a living wage job and help in times of hardship is harming people or not - I wanna see some stats on that please.

I am a uk citizen, and my country provides a lotta those things, and I have lived to be 54. it does not seem to have killed me, giving me housing , education, medical care and support. I have also seen times when I had really crap wages - but I notice that things have got better when I had good money. i don't think a living wage does people as much harm as poverty.

No - if you want to see a government where policies are killing people, go to the USA.
How many people are on Death Row right now?
How many people have died as a result of the wars they were dragged into?
Vietnam, Iraq? Iran ? Afghanistan?
How many people will die younger b/coz they don't have medical care?

And remember , these are actual deaths already occurred- not deaths that might happen if your calculations are correct.
in short,people are not dropping like flies all over Canada, Australia, Europe, just because we are doing henious things like providing people with education on peoples taxes.

As to 'true cost pricing' - well obviously, "it ain't never gonna work" - listen , we put a man on the moon , because we wanted to go there. We may never get an actual cost, but we slap a tax on things that are environmentally damaging. Wanna drive an SUV? Well, it will cost you more to buy one that a Ford Focus, or similar compact car.

where there is a will , there is a way. and it is already beginning to go like that in the UK. And I don't see ppl dead in the street as a result.
We need an OP on what Socialism looks like, i think. Obama is not a socialist - he is a centerist/ liberal. he just looks like one to many in the USA coz they never met the real thing.

[gunslnger.livejournal.com]

No - if you want to see a government where policies are killing people, go to the USA.

Seriously? ok, I think we're done discussing rationally here. Good day.

For reference, you're comparing apples to ants, not even oranges.

[green-man-2010.livejournal.com]

You quite discussing things rationally the minute you decided that Green policies were already causing peoples deaths. So no great loss, I'm afraid.

[gunslnger.livejournal.com]

I didn't say already. But I'm not surprised you heard what you wanted to hear.

[green-man-2010.livejournal.com]

"Kiilling pople" - present tense , I think you'll find.

even to suggest that what we would do when in power would lead to people dying as a result of our policies is going a bit far - let's be honest , a lot of countries have gone a lot further towards a scoialised health system , and no one is dying in the streets.

To suggest that some form of rationing would lead to riots and panicking - well, it would depend on how we did it.

[gunslnger.livejournal.com]

The rioting was specific to your example where rationing was extreme and immediate.

I never said anything about people dying in the streets.