ext_6933 ([identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] talkpolitics2010-05-16 03:57 pm
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Two Tea Parties

Now that the Tea Party has taken the plunge to support racism in Arizona, the Party will have the obligatory split over policy. I see a division into two distinct Tea Parties: one of them based on black tea and the other based on green tea. The black Tea Party would continue to support racism (black represents the color of their heart). The green Tea Party will favor a more rational, natural approach to immigration.

What is your opinion of these two parties within the Party? Which other policy divisions can we look forward to?

[identity profile] 404.livejournal.com 2010-05-16 11:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Since when is supporting enforcing an existing Federal law racist?

[identity profile] korean-guy-01.livejournal.com 2010-05-16 11:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Because it's primarily non-model minorities breaking said law.

[identity profile] 404.livejournal.com 2010-05-16 11:23 pm (UTC)(link)
The Final Fight Remix is the best. I played that bad boy on the SNES all the time.

[identity profile] futurebird.livejournal.com 2010-05-17 02:02 am (UTC)(link)
76% of undocumented immigrants are Hispanic, the next largest group is, 11% Asian,-- in cities like NY and SF the numbers are far closer.

[identity profile] futurebird.livejournal.com 2010-05-16 11:31 pm (UTC)(link)
To get technical support the law isn't racist it is the belief, of the majority of the people who support the law, that non-white people are destroying America by breeding too much and munching up public services and committing crimes and something must be "done" about this "problem."

The majority of people who support this law are not disturbed by white Canadians or Brits who my be hear illegally. (though they will play lip service to equal application of the law.)

No, they are mad that people who look different who have a different culture and language are walking on "their" streets and moving in to "their" neighborhoods. They are angry when they go to a corner store and all of the canned goods say "Goya" and no one speaks English.

They are scared that the white America they grew up with is vanishing forever. Since a good chunk of the people in question are not "legal" they can go after that... but make no mistake if they could find a way they would send as all packing.

[identity profile] 404.livejournal.com 2010-05-16 11:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm glad you are a mind reader and can speak with the knowledge of everyone who supports the law.

[identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com 2010-05-16 11:36 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm glad your reading comprehension levels remain the same.

the majority of the people who support the law

This ain't rocket science here, buddy.

[identity profile] 404.livejournal.com 2010-05-16 11:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Sorry, you fail too.

[identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com 2010-05-16 11:40 pm (UTC)(link)
I know you won't ever change. Rock doesn't evolve.

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[identity profile] futurebird.livejournal.com 2010-05-16 11:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh come on. Out of nowhere people in a state with a lot of LEGAL Mexican immigrants have suddenly developed a taste for obeying the letter of the law and even giving up some of their own civil liberties to beat back the "threat" -- you need only read what some of these people are saying.

The motivations are based in xenophobia.

That's why you also see people passing "English only" laws. This is about defining the national identity not politically but culturally-- and these people think it matters since they think that any other, any non-white culture is inferior--

[identity profile] 404.livejournal.com 2010-05-16 11:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Your whole argument is based on WHAT YOU THINK people are thinking, and basically that is enough to paint the whole group as racist xenophobes.

[identity profile] futurebird.livejournal.com 2010-05-16 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)
It's based on what member of these groups have said. They paint themselves as such.

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An example.

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[identity profile] mrbogey.livejournal.com 2010-05-17 12:02 am (UTC)(link)
'Out of nowhere people in a state with a lot of LEGAL Mexican immigrants...'

Yea...nevermind the 10-15% illegal immigrants in the state...

[identity profile] futurebird.livejournal.com 2010-05-17 01:42 am (UTC)(link)
What is your source for those numbers? I can't find any neutral sources.

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[identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com 2010-05-17 02:18 am (UTC)(link)
And ignoring that most of the people supporting the law in Arizona are also not white.

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source?

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[identity profile] thies.livejournal.com 2010-05-16 11:36 pm (UTC)(link)
does an undetermined percentage of supporters for upholding the laws being racist make these laws concerning illegal immigration racist or means they shouldn't be upheld?

[identity profile] futurebird.livejournal.com 2010-05-16 11:39 pm (UTC)(link)
The AZ law violates civil liberties. That's why it should not be upheld. Other laws may need to be changed and other met with better enforcement.

But this really is a separate issue from resolving the xenophobia-- if it can find an outlet in immigration laws it will move to some other topic.

[identity profile] mrbogey.livejournal.com 2010-05-17 12:03 am (UTC)(link)
'The AZ law violates civil liberties'

So federal law violates civil liberties. Better call Saul.

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[identity profile] dukexmachismo.livejournal.com 2010-05-17 01:19 am (UTC)(link)
I think you're on to something here.

Personally, I dig the different cultures, and consider embracing them to be almost the essence of what it means to be "American".


[identity profile] pastorlenny.livejournal.com 2010-05-17 01:48 am (UTC)(link)
I love when professing Christians spread hate.

[identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com 2010-05-17 02:03 am (UTC)(link)
But enough about the Vatican.

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Let me help you.


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[identity profile] lordtwinkie.livejournal.com 2010-05-18 04:51 am (UTC)(link)
white america? what the fuck is white america, this must be different from the america i grew up in.