[identity profile] paft.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
Maybe it was Pat Buchanan saying that we didn't need any more Jews on the Supreme court. Maybe it was Lewis Black's hilarious takedown of Glenn Beck's Nazi meme. Maybe it was both things things, combined with the Roger Ebert/Caleb Howe incident, the latest example of the insane, right wing dehumanization which has been becoming more and more "normal." Maybe it's the fact that Arizona has banned ethnic studies in its public schools. Maybe it's the fact that "empathy" is now treated as a dirty word by many right wingers.

Whatever, the reason, I felt the urge this morning to rummage back among my files and find an essay I wrote about a decade ago, about a new mantra I'd begun encountering online -- the too-ridiculous-to-even-refute claim that Hitler was a leftist.

It's worth posting again, and worth reading again, keeping in mind that it was originally written in the summer of the year 2000:


Hitler Was a Leftist": The New Revisionism

Did you know that Hitler was a Leftist? That Africans have been scientifically proven to be inherently less intelligent than Europeans? That Al Gore once said, "Democrats understand the importance of bondage between a mother and child"?



If not, you haven't spent time in the world of Internet Discussion boards, where can be found the arguments, the ideas, and the beliefs that drive much of the predominantly white and young online community. While it is difficult to gauge how seriously the reader is intended to take many of these messages, it is not difficult to see that ideas once considered discredited for good are being repeated online as if they were new and exciting theories. Add to this a disturbing trend towards historical revisionism, and the result is a situation that warrants cautious attention.

When we hear the word "revisionism" most of us think of Holocaust Revisionism. The most extreme reaches of the far right were among the first to understand the usefulness of the Internet as a resource, and as a result it's easy to become distracted by the number of hate groups who have made themselves conspicuous online. Worse, it's easy to ignore the seemingly minor examples of outright untruth that crop up. Next to a statement like "the Holocaust never happened", a statement like "The Holocaust happened, but Hitler was a leftist" seems relatively sane, even harmless.

Repeated once, and on its own, it might be. Repeated often, and at the same time as certain other statements on race, heredity, and political freedom, it is neither. And the claim that Hitler was a creature of the left rather than the right is being repeated often, alongside claims that black Americans are inferior in intelligence to white Americans, the "underclass" is inferior in intelligence to the "elite," and the blacklisting bully tactics of the McCarthy era were warranted.

The most commonly cited origin for the claim of Hitler as a leftist is Austrian economist Friedrich Von Hayek's "The Road to Serfdom." Published fifty years ago, "The Road to Serfdom" rejected the idea that Fascism is capitalistic, and lumped both Stalinism and Nazism together as "collectivism". While "The Road to Serfdom" was well-received by some conservatives, the idea of Hitler as a leftist does not seem to have caught on then, perhaps because both the Third Reich and the years leading up to it were still well within living memory. There were living right-wingers who had to cope with the embarrassment of having embraced Hitler in the 1930s as a fellow enemy of Communism, and living leftists who could look back with pride on having recognized Hitler as a danger long before many other Americans did. The memory of the Nazis flirting with Socialism in the 1920s -- mainly as a ploy to attract workers into the party -- was not outweighed by the memory of Hitler's suppression of unions and hatred of leftists.

This has changed. In a decade or two, the Second World War is going to seem as distant to young Americans as the Civil War seemed to my generation, the issues and debates that surrounded it just as antiquated, the truth just as slippery. Online discussions about Hitler's Germany these days often deteriorate into a wrangle over the significance of the Nazi Party platform from the 1920s with someone who seems less appalled by Nazi mass murder than by the fact that the Nazis incorporated the word "Socialist" into their party name. Discussion of the Social Darwinism, the racism, and the hatred of liberals and leftists that were the hallmarks of Nazism, is successfully avoided.

It can be argued that whether or not Hitler was a leftist is beside the point. Mass murder is mass murder, and leftists in this century have proven themselves to be as willing to commit it as right-wingers. But when the statement "Hitler was a leftist" appears at the same time as other, more familiar untruths, it comes across less as an interesting bit of historical revisionism than an attempt to divorce the name "Hitler" from some of the very theories that inspired his crimes. If Hitler's brutality can be associated, not with racism and Social Darwinism, but with the fact that the early Nazi Party gave lip service to Socialism, then a large hurdle in reintroducing white supremacy and eugenics into the mainstream of political thought will be overcome.

This is not to claim that there is an organized effort afoot to revive these ideas. There does, however, seem to be a disorganized effort. Perhaps, much of what we see on the Internet is merely the product of youth, inexperience, and ignorance, and will evaporate harmlessly as the Internet population ages and mature. But while people do and should have a right to post whatever crazy theory they have on the Internet, it's a good idea to keep track of those crazy theories, and to counter them, at least occasionally, with reason and facts.

Otherwise, we could wake up one morning appalled to discover what has been accepted as the truth, and what has been rejected.

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Date: 14/5/10 19:46 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lovefromgirl.livejournal.com
When we hear the word "revisionism" most of us think of Holocaust Revisionism.

I think of revisionist history in general: the idea that anyone of any ideology can twist historical fact to suit his present worldview.

Hence why I find it absurd that any of today's political machines can blame Hitler on any of the others. He came first. Any attempt to lump him in with any of today's parties is invalid; we can conjecture all we like, but Hitler and his Nazi party stand alone.

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Hitler was a centrist.

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From: [identity profile] fleaplus.livejournal.com
http://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2

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Date: 14/5/10 20:24 (UTC)
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when I hear revisionist I think of the normal process of assessing history given new information being available

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Date: 14/5/10 20:34 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
When we hear the word "revisionism" most of us think of Holocaust Revisionism.

I think of Zinn first.

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Date: 14/5/10 20:59 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
And I think of the Lost Cause.....

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Date: 14/5/10 21:18 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thies.livejournal.com
misread and thought of

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Date: 14/5/10 21:56 (UTC)
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i first think of russian nationalists.

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Date: 14/5/10 20:35 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
Isn't that book by Jonah Goldberg (http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=jonah_goldbergs_bizarro_history) the more common reference these days?
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Date: 14/5/10 20:45 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
I'll note several things-

One-Hitler is not a Leftist under even the Stalinist/Maoist understandings of the word. The Left is for labor and for state ownership of the means of production. Hitler was for an all-encompassing tribal state.

Two-In his own lifetime Genghis Khan had far more haters than he ever did allies. With the receding of centuries, Moderns nowadays look at the Mongol Peace and ignore the leveling entire towns to make pyramids of skulls. That Hitler becomes less a ogre and figure of fear and more human and more within a broader context is inevitable.

Three-Mass murder very obviously isn't mass murder. The USA simply succeeded in doing it to blacks and to Indians for centuries. Germany and Japan and Italy failed extremely spectacularly. That's the only difference.

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Date: 14/5/10 21:11 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
Americans were early innovators in the 'Frog in Pot of Slowly Heating Water' genre of genocide.

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Pyramids of skulls?

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Date: 14/5/10 21:19 (UTC)
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B-B-BUT ITZ NASHUNUL SOSHULIZMZ!



*eyeroll*

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Date: 14/5/10 21:25 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrbogey.livejournal.com
Maybe you ought to read up on the works early Nazi ideologues and how they believed that Marxist socialism to be inherently flawed and proposed a form of corporatism called National Socialism. They had no problem with socialism. Just as long as it didn't involve creating a classless society of internationalists.

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Date: 14/5/10 21:20 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrbogey.livejournal.com
The last thing we need is for people confusing the clear and oh so strong distinction between National Socialism (Socialism that benefits the state) with Internalional Socialism (The state and its people benefiting all people).

'It can be argued that whether or not Hitler was a leftist is beside the point.'

But that he wasn't a leftist was your point for bringing up the argument.

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Date: 14/5/10 21:37 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mijopo.livejournal.com
Funny you posted this, it just came up on canpolitik the other day: http://community.livejournal.com/canpolitik/705853.html?thread=22868029#t22868029

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Date: 14/5/10 21:57 (UTC)
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i know it's friday and this is your right wing = hitler post day, but can we all agree that stalin was a leftist then?

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Date: 14/5/10 22:26 (UTC)
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Technically, that makes them allies.

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Date: 14/5/10 23:08 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] headhouse.livejournal.com
I read it.

It really wasn't worth reading again. But thanks.

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Date: 14/5/10 23:15 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drcruel.livejournal.com
Hitler used the word Socialism, and Obama once got an A in Social Studies. How can you possibly ignore the parallels!

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Date: 15/5/10 00:45 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dukexmachismo.livejournal.com
That's Daily Quote material, if you ask me.

Which you didn't...

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Hitler was on the left...

Date: 14/5/10 23:26 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
... of Jonah Goldberg. When a person is so far to the right that Hitler looks like a lefty, then you are pretty far to the right.

It's interesting what people consider to be "left wing." For example, Joseph Stalin is often posited on the left. I guess by comparison to Ivan the Terrible, Stalin was a sweetheart. On the other hand, when compared to other exemplars of the Left, such as Mohandas Gandhi, Stalin seems closer to Ivan.

Re: Hitler was on the left...

Date: 15/5/10 00:13 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Gandhi was no Leftist.

Stalin very much was one. He was deeply rooted in Marxism and his idea was never against global revolution, his idea was simply to build a stronghold of the revolution and from there proceed to spread it throughout the world. In hindsight Stalin appears to have been the smarter one compared to Leon Trotsky....

name that leftie...

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Date: 15/5/10 02:55 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rasilio.livejournal.com
Yeah the problem here is the left and the right don't speak the same language.

It's kind of like the way the 2 sides in the abortion debate try to frame each other by having a complete lack of understanding of the other side.

You see when someone who identifies themselves as "Left" or "Progressive" or "liberal" (in the modern US usage of the term) they see the things which define that categorization as very different from someone who is "Right" or "Conservative"

The "Leftist" views his beliefs stemming from a commitment to social justice, equality, and tolerance for if not outright celebration of diversity.

The "Rightist" views his beliefs as stemming from a commitment to freedom, personal responsibility, and respect for if not outright preservation of a particular set of cultural traditions

So now lets examine how they each see the other.

To a "Leftist" a "Rightist" is someone who has no heart because he lacks sympathy for the less fortunate, no soul because he considers economic issues more important than social ones, and no brain because he is stuck trying to recreate some mythical golden age from the past which was never as golden as he thinks and only built on the exploitation of the underclass.

To a "Rightist" a "Leftist" is an airy dreamer who lacks connection with reality because he considers collective rights more important than individual ones, seeks to reject social conventions that their civilization was built on, and relies on the state as the center of all action or thought.

Now of course these are only generalizations and will not hold up in all cases and they also suffer from a false dichotomy in that there is not merely 2 categories of political thought. However, there are the clear trends of Conservatism and Progressivism and these views are going to be very well represented in those groups.

Now in this we can see how a Conservative can make the claim that Hitler, and more specifically his Nazi Party is a Leftist. For the Nazi Party the Collective was by far more important than the individual and The State ruled all. Any way you look at it there are similarities between Nazism and the modern "Left". What is more is that those similarities are in the areas that the "Right" considers to be the biggest failings of the "Left".

The one area where the modern "Right" would agree with the Nazi's is their focus on tradition and recreation of ta glorious past that never really existed and look at that, it is one of the areas that the modern "Left" considers one of the biggest failings of the "Right".

This difference in viewpoints is highlighted in the article in mentioning Hayek. While he is certainly not a voice of the modern "Right" the argument from the right that Nazism is like Socialism because both are collectivist state focused political theories resonates strongly with those on the right.

What will make it most evident is in the myriad of 2 dimensional political tests out there. Inevitably you have Hitler and Stalin in one quadrant sharing one axis with socialists and Conservatives sharing the other with them and when you see that it is easy to see how BOTH the "Left" and "Right" can legitimately claim the other side is like the Nazi Party because they do share traits in common with Nazism.

In the end the political comparison of the Nazi's and the modern left is legitimately valid to Conservatives and not Progressives because they each use a different definition of what "Left" means. For Conservatives it is primarily and Economic definition and for Progressives it is primarily a Social one.

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