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I'm not a liberal, but if I was, I can't imagine what I would have against the Tea Party movement - so hopefully a liberal/democrat could help me out with this.

I understand the movement is made up mostly of conservatives, so wouldn't that either be a good, or at worst, neutral thing for you when elections come around?

Sure, the Tea Party isn't an official party with representatives, but when a big (or the big) election comes around, they'll most likely endorse someone (If they don't, that would fall under neutral). If the person/people they back are Republican, you saw it coming, and you'll pretty much have the same outcome there would have been if the TP never existed (again, neutral result). If the person/people they back aren't Republican, it wouldn't be taking many, if any, votes away from your side - nowhere near the number it would be taking away from Republicans (this would fall under good for you).

Or am I missing something?

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[light-over-me.livejournal.com]

The law is in line with already existing federal immigration laws, the only difference is it now gives the ability of state officers the right to enforce it, and calls for them to do so. This really isn't that different, radical, or new. What's "radical and new" about it, is that the state is now taking on the role of enforcement.

Of course illegal immigrants aren't the only ones to commit crimes. The difference between an illegal committing the same crime, is that the state now has the authority to enforce deportation.

A cop enters a restaurant and half the bus boys run out the back door -- now what other circumstances might rise to the level of reasonable suspicion?

Okay.

Now read the whole bill-- it states exactly what kind of situations apply. Most of which already have federal provisions in place, except now there is additional authority at the state level. We're not just talking about street cops here. For example, an illegal person applying for a job. Or applying for welfare. State officials and agencies will now have a role in verifying people's status.

You do have a point though. If these provisions already exist at a federal level, what makes the bill necessary? The question is whether these existing provisions are being sufficiently enforced.

[malasadas.livejournal.com]

the only difference is it now gives the ability of state officers the right to enforce it, and calls for them to do so.

Immigration officers don't walk street beats watching people's behavior.

Now read the whole bill-- it states exactly what kind of situations apply.

Really? Then why have you been unwilling to answer the direct question?

[light-over-me.livejournal.com]

Well, looks like now they have edited the language of the bill to be more clear:

So now, in response to those critics, lawmakers have removed “lawful contact” from the bill and replaced it with “lawful stop, detention or arrest.” In an explanatory note, lawmakers added that the change “stipulates that a lawful stop, detention or arrest must be in the enforcement of any other law or ordinance of a county, city or town or this state.”

“It was the intent of the legislature for ‘lawful contact’ to mean arrests and stops, but people on the left mischaracterized it,” says Kris Kobach, the law professor and former Bush Justice Department official who helped draft the law. “So that term is now defined.”

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/in-response-to-critics-arizona-tweaks-new-immigration-law-92495249.html#ixzz0mdlfFp2y

[malasadas.livejournal.com]

That's better -- but still needs analysis to see how the revisions plays with the rest of the bill's language and an explanation as to how the law is even remotely necessary if the ONLY time cops will check documents is now when they are doing things where they already take i.d. from a suspected criminal. That would be fairly silly and leaves major suspicion of the law still up in the air.

Oh, and GREAT source -- not one quote from a critic of the bill on the implications of the "fix" but lots of quotes from people saying fixing major language flaws in the law is just "tinkering" so liberals will shut up. That's some bang up reportng there.