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jefferson davis.

care to answer my question now?

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chessdev.livejournal.com

Disingenuous; The Democrats and Republicans of a century ago (let alone two) are very different ideologically than the parties of today -- and you know it.

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true. they're both worthless and weak today. the republicans obstruct, the democrats whine, and both spend money they don't have hand over fist.

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rainynights.livejournal.com

I totally agree with you!

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my logic is undeniable.

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rainynights.livejournal.com

I love the way you think! You say things that I am thinking just can not find appropriate ways to express them without being obnoxious haha.

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don't underestimate yourself. obnoxious is good.

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geezer-also.livejournal.com

You (and I) don't find don't find him (?) obnoxious because we agree with him :D

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So you had to go back over a century.

You do realize, don't you, that the Democratic Party of Jefferson Davis was not the moderate-to-liberal Democratic party of today right?

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you didn't specify time frames. but since we're all upset about arizona, if you'd asked which modern liberal-democratic president interned minority american citizens, i could have said roosevelt.

but once again. you didn't answer my question.

why do you limit that litany to conservatives?

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d: you didn't specify time frames.

So you're not debating issues so much as playing a sort of verbal footsie.

d: but since we're all upset about arizona, if you'd asked which modern liberal-democratic president interned minority american citizens, i could have said roosevelt.

Did I ask that? And what does that have to do with my question about calls for secession?

d: but once again. you didn't answer my question. why do you limit that litany to conservatives?

Because it's the right wing that's been doing these things in today's America. Not liberals. Oh, I'm sure you can find some obscure case where someone on the left showed up packing heat in the vicinity of a conservative president, or invoke that tongue-in-cheek call for "secession" by a few people in Vermont, but there's nothing on the left to compare with Rick Perry's recent invocation of secession, or the recent cases of people "protesting" by bringing guns to public rallies.

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the issue was the tea party. and you used -that- as an excuse to toss in the anti-conservative boogeymen you always rail on about, such as your anecdotes about the 1960's civil rights demonstrations.

so since we're playing that game, i took the liberty of tossing in a few of my own. chessdev brought up arizona by the way.

. Oh, I'm sure you can find some obscure case where someone on the left showed up packing heat in the vicinity of a conservative president

i'd never be able to provide such examples since no true scotsman would ever do such a dastardly deed.

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d: the issue was the tea party.

Yes. We were asked to explain why, as liberals, we object to the Tea Party movement.

d: and you used -that- as an excuse to toss in the anti-conservative boogeymen you always rail on about, such as your anecdotes about the 1960's civil rights demonstrations.

What happened to 1960s civil rights activists are not "anecdotes." They are facts of history.

d: so since we're playing that game, i took the liberty of tossing in a few of my own.

In other words, you can't argue the issue on the facts, so you argue in bad faith.

PFT: Oh, I'm sure you can find some obscure case where someone on the left showed up packing heat in the vicinity of a conservative president
d: i'd never be able to provide such examples since no true scotsman would ever do such a dastardly deed.

Now you're just babbling.

You always run out of arguments so fast in these exchanges.

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lol. you ignore all my questions because they're not relevant, then you accuse me of running out of arguments.

which one is it?

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I answered you questions quite directly. You just didn't like the answers.

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no, you said they weren't relevant since they happeneed a long time ago.

and you said i was arguing in bad faith.

and you said any examples of liberal badness would just be obscure or tongue-in-cheek.

and you accused me of babbbling.

did i miss any of your usual logical fallacy debate techniques?

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d: no, you said they weren't relevant since they happeneed a long time ago. and you said i was arguing in bad faith.

Yes, citing an example that you know full well is not relevant is a case of arguing in bad faith.

d: and you said any examples of liberal badness would just be obscure or tongue-in-cheek.

Yes, as unfair as it may seem to you, an obscure, tongue-in-cheeki invocation of secession among a small group of academics is not comparable to a dead-serious invocation of secession by a state governor before a cheering crowd.

d: and you accused me of babbbling.

You were.

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paft had nothing to add.

check.

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Hey, I just friended you. Feel free to add me back.

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thanks, but friending me will do you little good since i never post anything in my journal, it's merely a vehicle for commenting.

i merely sail the stormy seas of numerous political communities ... and create tsunamis whenever possible.

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Oh well, at least if someone wants to check out my profile they can see what sort of people I like! ;-)

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more than fair enough. i've noticed your comments on several of the communities i regularly inhabit.

and as i recall, you tend to be on the pro-israel, conservative-leaning side of politics...

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Very pro-Israel, Orthodox Jewish. Centrist Libertarian with a strong lean to the right. Gun owning single mom, from a gun owning conservative military family. Airforce brat, to be exact.

I'm also a Gemini and a self employed jewelry designer. ;-)

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we have more in common than you realize. i'm also ex-usaf, non-jewish, but pro-israel, gun owner, gemini. my politcs are harder to define. i'm a fiscally consrvative, socially liberal, smaller-government kind of guy.

oh yes, and typically argumentatively confrontational online. in real life, i'm much more agreeable. i'm good enough, i'm smart enough, and gosh darn it, people like me.

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