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Given some of the discussions generated from my last post, I wanted to share with you one last picture from the April 15 Tea Party protest.
But first, I wanted to thank everyone for all of the positive comments. I was trying very hard to be open minded and fair, and I am genuinely happy that people found my post to be so. I am even more happy that people from "both sides" liked it for that reason. This is an incredibly positive political sentiment - that we have a common preference for fair and balanced presentation. It gives me some hope that this hyper-polarized climate might collapse one day.
I also wanted to apologize for not being on line much after posting - I'm on limited internet these days.
Anyway, I hope this doesn't destroy the fair and balanced vibes, but a lot of the commenters believed that the Tea Party is a bigoted movement. Not only do I insist that this is wrong, but I also believe that making this wrongful accusation needlessly pushes Tea Partiers and their liberal counterparts further away from ever listening to each other, or making any compromise. I therefore wish that I could say that I saw no evidence of bigotry at the Tea Party, but I can't. Here's the last picture:

This is one of the counter-protesters. Her shirt reads "F*ck your God". I didn't intentionally leave this out of the original post because I was embarrassed by it, although I am embarrassed by it. I only left it out because in choosing from my hundred photos to post, this one was just va poor quality shot.
I'm not trying to make liberals look bad with this picture. I'm just trying to show that while there are people with ugly beliefs on both sides, these ugly beliefs don't define those sides. The Anti-Tea-Party movement (or Coffee Party, or whatever) isn't an anti religion movement, even if some members of the Atheist Takfiri show up in the crowd. The same goes for racists (of which I saw none) or anti-abortionists (of which I saw the nutter truck driver - his rear billboard was all about fetuses) who show up for an anti-tax movement. The movement isn't about those other things, even if some of the participants go way off message.
Sorry if this post doesn't offer much new information over the last one, but given that there was such a strong belief in Tea Party racism in the first set of comments, I felt that I had done everyone a disservice by leaving this picture out.
But first, I wanted to thank everyone for all of the positive comments. I was trying very hard to be open minded and fair, and I am genuinely happy that people found my post to be so. I am even more happy that people from "both sides" liked it for that reason. This is an incredibly positive political sentiment - that we have a common preference for fair and balanced presentation. It gives me some hope that this hyper-polarized climate might collapse one day.
I also wanted to apologize for not being on line much after posting - I'm on limited internet these days.
Anyway, I hope this doesn't destroy the fair and balanced vibes, but a lot of the commenters believed that the Tea Party is a bigoted movement. Not only do I insist that this is wrong, but I also believe that making this wrongful accusation needlessly pushes Tea Partiers and their liberal counterparts further away from ever listening to each other, or making any compromise. I therefore wish that I could say that I saw no evidence of bigotry at the Tea Party, but I can't. Here's the last picture:

This is one of the counter-protesters. Her shirt reads "F*ck your God". I didn't intentionally leave this out of the original post because I was embarrassed by it, although I am embarrassed by it. I only left it out because in choosing from my hundred photos to post, this one was just va poor quality shot.
I'm not trying to make liberals look bad with this picture. I'm just trying to show that while there are people with ugly beliefs on both sides, these ugly beliefs don't define those sides. The Anti-Tea-Party movement (or Coffee Party, or whatever) isn't an anti religion movement, even if some members of the Atheist Takfiri show up in the crowd. The same goes for racists (of which I saw none) or anti-abortionists (of which I saw the nutter truck driver - his rear billboard was all about fetuses) who show up for an anti-tax movement. The movement isn't about those other things, even if some of the participants go way off message.
Sorry if this post doesn't offer much new information over the last one, but given that there was such a strong belief in Tea Party racism in the first set of comments, I felt that I had done everyone a disservice by leaving this picture out.
first? as if it mattered....
Date: 22/4/10 01:59 (UTC)Problem is, the first part is not true. It is not the case that religion harms no one.
I like her socks.
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Date: 22/4/10 02:05 (UTC)Because reality itself did so in the years 1989-91.Re: first? as if it mattered....
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Date: 22/4/10 03:16 (UTC)Some people have a psychological need to be a warrior for a cause. The actual cause isn't relevant - people kill each other over soccer matches. It was an evolutionary advantage when mankind lived in primitive tribes. Now it's just a clusterfuck. I don't blame religion for this behavior.
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Date: 22/4/10 23:14 (UTC)clinch it. She rocks.
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Date: 22/4/10 02:10 (UTC)That's just honest.
Fuck your god.
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Date: 22/4/10 02:12 (UTC)After a few drinks, she looks even better.... ;)
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Date: 22/4/10 02:20 (UTC)Letting people know that one has absolutely no respect for anyone's religion isn't bigotry. I'm starting to believe that you don't even know bigotry when you see it.
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Date: 22/4/10 02:42 (UTC)Yea... like those shirts that show no respect towards slavery with "100% cotton... and you picked it". Totally not bigotry.
Getting back to the discussion. Saying "Fuck your God" tends to betray a persons bias on an issue. In fact, it'd be offensive to those people who are religious. There's a difference between respect and bigotry. Not showing respect doesn't make someone a bigot, true. But that shirt, isn't just about disrespect. I'd venture anyone who wears it has a bigotry against religion.
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Date: 22/4/10 02:33 (UTC)Rather a significant difference, don't you think?
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Date: 22/4/10 02:38 (UTC)Rather a significant difference, don't you think?
Oh wait, you already made the quota for non-sequitor and crazy points. Just ignore my prior comment.
Buying a gun or carrying a gun means nothing towards violence.
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Date: 22/4/10 02:42 (UTC)The movement may not be about those things but considering it's sudden organization almost immediately after Obama was elected, it does seem to act like a lightning rod for the more reactionary members of the right.
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Date: 22/4/10 03:27 (UTC)That's just honest."
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"Letting people know that one has absolutely no respect for anyone's religion isn't bigotry."
i agree 100%
people are are free to believe what ever fairy tale tale they choose. just because i don't pretend that their beliefs are true, doesn't mean i disrespect them personally (lots of smart, decent people have been indoctrinated into believing that one fairy tale or another is TRUE, usually by their loving parents). just because i don`t believe (or respect their belief) in the big sky fairy, his virgin incubator and the rest of them, does not mean that i am a bigot. i am not obligated to agree that their fairy tale is true, or that their adherance to it is sane.
i am not intolerant or bigoted. people can live their lives as they see fit, even if it is according to the edicts of imaginary pixies or talking farm animals. i don`t want people who believe in god, allah, chakras, benevolent or malevolent aliens, fairies, angels or what have you to be hurt, imprisoned, sent away, denied public services or access to anything. i do want them to know that i am not buying what they are selling and `Fuck Your God`- that`s a pretty clear statement of that fact.
however, I am old and have lost my nerve to wear something as confrontational as that. I will wear my plain old (curse word free) `THERE IS NO GOD` t-shirt.
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Date: 22/4/10 04:49 (UTC)Religion, unlike say race, is both a choice and carries with it values, outlooks, etc like any other ideology. If we can't disagree with that then we really don't have a free society.
I do not however think that people should face discrimination for their religious or other beliefs in and of themselves. So a butcher shop can't say " No Muslims or Jews" but they should be to refuse to hire someone how won't touch or sell pork.
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Date: 22/4/10 06:52 (UTC)I am a Christian. Even if I was not I wouldn't ever say F your God, or F buddha, or F muhammad. It is more than disrespectful. I guess I just have common decency where alot of people now just could care less about others.
Thank you for showing the other other side of a tea party. Not all of us are bigots or racists or even full of hate. I liberals just not their policies. I have tons of liberal friends we just don't discuss politics.
But this group constantly trashes tea party members and it does get real old because not all of us are "wing-nuts" I believe is the word thrown around in the group. There is always a small minority that are the crazy ones. Same could be said of the liberals. I am sure not every liberal protest is insane. I mean we just have to stop infighting and eventually come together as a nation and have a middle ground. Nothing is going to get done if we constantly trash each other and fight. Our system is made to work with a BALANCE. If you have a democratic president and a democratic congress or vice versa I fear it does more harm than good.
I am really not a party person. I am simply a Reagan Conservative. I just really want someone to step up and do something good for our country. I have a feeling that is not going to happen anytime soon. Greed has taken over politics.
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Date: 22/4/10 09:12 (UTC)Absofuckinglutely (http://community.livejournal.com/talk_politics/494671.html). (Pun intended).
Stupid 1. Political correctness. Level of stupid: * * * * *
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Date: 22/4/10 11:55 (UTC)"Fuck Your Goth"?
You are not neutral
Date: 22/4/10 15:18 (UTC)Incidentally, the sentiment is about keeping god out of politics.
I think there would be an enormous difference if the t-shirt said "fuck you christians" or "fuck you teabaggers" or some such.
Incidentally, there are plenty of God related signs at tea party events, making a "keep religion out of politics" message quite relevant, even if this punk-rock middle finger attitude might not be the best way of expressing it.
Also, I'm doubting your complete honesty in your references about the tea party, even though I praised you in your previous post. I went back and looked through it and saw not ONE sign about Obama bin Laden or "Hussein" or domestic terrorism. While I've seen several at much smaller tea party events than Washington.
I call bullshit about posting this picture and not a single sign about Obama/Bin laden/Hussein/vague terrorism/muslim references.
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Date: 22/4/10 15:59 (UTC)I just went back through the unposted pictures, and couldn't find one. I wasn't really looking for signs in particular. I snapped plenty with God references, and I posted the one with the pictures of Hitler & Mao. Bin Laden may or may not have been obscured by that guy's face - I don't recall whose picture was there. But I thought comparing Obama to Mao & Hitler represented the wackiness well enough. The overwhelming majority of the slander was directed at Obama=Communist.
So, are you suggesting that I am secretly a Tea Partier? That's funny.
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