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talkpoliticsOk dudes, sorry to post on the wrong topic last time - so here's myr take on the international situation for International Week.
A lot of Brits are up in arms about immigration. i was on the doorstep this morning, canvassing for the Greens when a man points out to me that 5 houses in his street were sold recently - and only one went to an English family. he said it like this was some sort of problem, and confirmed it with a rant about foreigners.
Now, it caused a stir in the 50s when we suddenly have a boatload of Afro Carribean people turn up in England on the boat The Windrush .
These men were invited over by the government - basically to do the jobs the white people did not want. we also got lots of nurses coming over from abroad. this meant that the countries they came from were suddenly short of nurses, but what the hell - we were brits and we could pay them more than their own country.
But what really kicked things off was the expulsoin of many middle class Asians ( Indians and pakistanis ) from Uganda. As they were Commonwealth citizens, the Uk too them in. And then we had the Somalis...
So now, we have had wave after wave of refugees settling in the UK. In some areas, the local white population is outnumbered, but immigration of this nature is mainly in the cities. go to the smaller towns and the rural areas of the Uk , and the population is mainly white, but in some areas, racial tension is high because he white people resent being in a minority on the streets and in the schools.
But why do people come to the UK anyway? The fact that we run a Welfare state is only part of the answer. look at what goes on in Somalia, and you see a complete breakdown in law and order. make no mistake, civil war, poverrty and extreme conditions lead many to flee their country of origin and settle elsewhere.
If you open the kitchen door and find the sink overflowing, there is no point grabbing a mop, or trying to bail out with a bucket. it makes more sense to turn off the tap first of all. Rather than invest in Border police and vote for tougher legislation on immigration, the Greens argue that the causes of ecological and economic disasters abroad should be addressed as a matter of urgency.
Britain , like many countires, sells arms abroad. In fact it is a principle export. rather than making the world a safer place, it fills the world with refugees fleeing the conflicts that rage in their native lands. Our rampant consumerism is also pushing poorer nations deeper into poverty.
Sweat shop labour in the far east means that tee shirts are cheap on the UK high street, but that poor people get little reward for their hard work in their own country. this also spurs many to smuggle themselves into the UK.
So, Greens say that international treaties that protect workers rights and limit the deadly arms trade are the only effective ways to limit the supply of illegal immigrants. The Berlin Wall did not keep people fleeing to the west, and the Border Police will not keep out the refugees who continue to flee the developing world and the problems they face there.
On the other hand, if we fix those problems, in the long term , this will mean fewer illegal immigrants. So, we advocate -
Support for democratic movements and Trade Union rights for workers in places where they have not got them.
A limiit on arms exports
A change in the way that muultinationals are allowed to operate in developing nations, and trade rules that alllow local economies to grow instead of being exploited.
Implementing the Tobin Tax - preventing greedy speculators from exploiting weaker currencies.
The better we can make life for people in Somalia and places like it, the less we will be concerned with migrants sneaking through our borders, the less we will hear of piracy off the coast of West Africa, and the less we will see of racial tension in our societies.
A lot of Brits are up in arms about immigration. i was on the doorstep this morning, canvassing for the Greens when a man points out to me that 5 houses in his street were sold recently - and only one went to an English family. he said it like this was some sort of problem, and confirmed it with a rant about foreigners.
Now, it caused a stir in the 50s when we suddenly have a boatload of Afro Carribean people turn up in England on the boat The Windrush .
These men were invited over by the government - basically to do the jobs the white people did not want. we also got lots of nurses coming over from abroad. this meant that the countries they came from were suddenly short of nurses, but what the hell - we were brits and we could pay them more than their own country.
But what really kicked things off was the expulsoin of many middle class Asians ( Indians and pakistanis ) from Uganda. As they were Commonwealth citizens, the Uk too them in. And then we had the Somalis...
So now, we have had wave after wave of refugees settling in the UK. In some areas, the local white population is outnumbered, but immigration of this nature is mainly in the cities. go to the smaller towns and the rural areas of the Uk , and the population is mainly white, but in some areas, racial tension is high because he white people resent being in a minority on the streets and in the schools.
But why do people come to the UK anyway? The fact that we run a Welfare state is only part of the answer. look at what goes on in Somalia, and you see a complete breakdown in law and order. make no mistake, civil war, poverrty and extreme conditions lead many to flee their country of origin and settle elsewhere.
If you open the kitchen door and find the sink overflowing, there is no point grabbing a mop, or trying to bail out with a bucket. it makes more sense to turn off the tap first of all. Rather than invest in Border police and vote for tougher legislation on immigration, the Greens argue that the causes of ecological and economic disasters abroad should be addressed as a matter of urgency.
Britain , like many countires, sells arms abroad. In fact it is a principle export. rather than making the world a safer place, it fills the world with refugees fleeing the conflicts that rage in their native lands. Our rampant consumerism is also pushing poorer nations deeper into poverty.
Sweat shop labour in the far east means that tee shirts are cheap on the UK high street, but that poor people get little reward for their hard work in their own country. this also spurs many to smuggle themselves into the UK.
So, Greens say that international treaties that protect workers rights and limit the deadly arms trade are the only effective ways to limit the supply of illegal immigrants. The Berlin Wall did not keep people fleeing to the west, and the Border Police will not keep out the refugees who continue to flee the developing world and the problems they face there.
On the other hand, if we fix those problems, in the long term , this will mean fewer illegal immigrants. So, we advocate -
Support for democratic movements and Trade Union rights for workers in places where they have not got them.
A limiit on arms exports
A change in the way that muultinationals are allowed to operate in developing nations, and trade rules that alllow local economies to grow instead of being exploited.
Implementing the Tobin Tax - preventing greedy speculators from exploiting weaker currencies.
The better we can make life for people in Somalia and places like it, the less we will be concerned with migrants sneaking through our borders, the less we will hear of piracy off the coast of West Africa, and the less we will see of racial tension in our societies.
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Date: 21/4/10 19:31 (UTC)Further I haven't heard of too many cases where the warlord in one town attacked the neighboring village with Challenger Tanks and Tornado Fighter bombers. Hell they almost never even use western manufactured weapons preferring the rugged reliability of the 100 million or so AK-47's on the market (roughly 1/5th of all firearms in existence on the planet) than anything western made. No, all of Brittan's weapon exports go to 1st and 2nd world nations like other EU nations, India, Israel, Brazil, Australia, etc. They do not by and large end up in the hands of terrorists, or 3rd world warlords.
You also seem to think an international treaty is worth more than the paper it is printed on in the 3rd world.
No, the economic and political chaos in the 3rd world has nothing to do with rich western nations oppressing the workers or arms exports. They have everything to do with those peoples being unwilling to stand up to their political masters and demand better and with their being prevented from developing robust local economies by western charities.
This is where immigration comes in. Forget how the people in rich western nations feel about it. The problem with free and unchecked immigration from 3rd world countries is it makes it easier for the local populace to flee the country than to stand up to and fix the problems in their culture and political process.
Close the borders for a decade and you will leave Africa and Central America no choice but to fix the corruption endemic to their countries.
End western charity and they will have no choice but to find ways to fend for themselves.
No, the problem in the 3rd world is not that the 1st world oppresses them, the problem is it has found new ways besides empire to keep them stuck with an infantile slave mentality and preventing them from developing (as a culture) a robust entrepreneurial spirit.
It used to be done because those nations were once colonies of the western powers and the self confidence needed to develop a stable economy and political process was a threat to the colonial masters and so they co-opted the best and brightest of the colonies into working for the government and systematically denied the rest of the tools needed to develop further.
Now it is done through giving the best and the brightest an escape route to promised lands in the west and then flooding the local market with cheap (free) goods in the form of charity, and jobs whose only value is to support an export market and add nothing but small amounts of capital to the local economy leaving them still dependent in imports (much of which is in the form of charity) to survive.
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Date: 21/4/10 22:07 (UTC)The tyrannical dictatorship of Burma cannot stand without foriegn backing and investment, but Total Oil, among others gain so much from their relationship with the military junta that they won't let it fall, and it is therefore hard for locals to stand up to the ruling elite.
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Date: 22/4/10 01:07 (UTC)Worst case scenario there is always another geo power looking to get access to the Burmese Oil that a rebellion could be externally funded just as easily as the government is.