[identity profile] paft.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
Mike Vanderboegh, of Pinson, Ala., former head of the Alabama Constitutional Militia, put out a call on Friday for modern "Sons of Liberty" to break the windows of Democratic Party offices nationwide in opposition to health care reform. Since then, vandals have struck several offices, including the Sedgwick County Democratic Party headquarters in Wichita. 13 Wham.com

The call from the right for liberals to “do what we say and you won’t get hurt” has been turned up just a notch. In reaction to the passage of health reform, a right wing blogger named Mike Vanderboegh called on his readers to break the windows of Democrats. Shortly afterwards, several Democratic Party offices in different cities were targeted with bricks flung through their windows. Mr. Vanderboegh seems positively exhilarated by the response to his message:
"Wake up and understand what is happening in this country. You need to start listening to people who you think you didn't have to pay any attention to, because sooner or later they will get your attention.”

Indeed. In fact, someone out there is so hungry for attention that someone phoned in to the office of Louise Slaughter threatening violence against the children of lawmakers who support healthcare reform.

Imagine that. A blogger posts a call to vandalism on his blog – and vandalism takes place! It’s as if words typed into the ether actually have some sort of meaning and lead to action in the offline world!

Vanderboegh, of course, insists that he’s not promoting “actual violence.” “How ambiguous is it if I say break windows? Am I saying kill people, absolutely not,” he insists.



But you see, here’s the thing about blogging -- readers are able to see, not just the message of the blogger but, through the comments section, how that message is processed and interpreted.

And looking through the comments posted on Mr. Vanderboegh’s blog does not indicate much reluctance about upping the ante if smashing windows doesn’t work. Here are a few of the comments posted by his fans in reaction to what he calls “the window war.” I should point out that the number of comments on his blog are not high, and these were not at all difficult to find:

“Hmmm, no demopub office here, far as I know. I'll think of something...”

“One article talks about a lack of notes, the other, a lack of injuries...hmmm”

“Today it was bricks, tomorrow it will be ???? The fuse has been lit.”

“We need to track these highly respectable representatives (cough) down to their residences.
Where we can then present them a Hallmark card (cough) kindly requesting they consider the Contitution when they vote..
Rocks and bricks are optional but torchs, pitch forks, tar and feathers are encouraged!!”

“As we know, our society has its roots in broken windows - not to mention tar-and-feathers (always horrible, often fatal) and bullets!”

“I wonder if the brain dead socialist in Washington would get the idea if it happened a lot more often. 
Would a wrist rocket and some ball bearings help get the idea across?”

“I bought a pistol belt and load bearing harness at the Army/Navy surplus store today. Haven't worn one since 1981. Fits real nice.”

“Good thing 223 ammo is still cheep and available. just bought another 1000 rds for 'target' pratice. these clowns are the best gun and ammo salesman in the world.”

“4" PVC Pipe
End Cap
Portable Compressed Air Tank
Hose
Pipe Fittings
Valve
Expanding Foam for Sabot 
Brick

Paint, Scope, Laser Rangefinder, and compensator optional.

Use of above parts left to the imagination of the reader.”

“They're all whining about bricks......

Just wait until it turns to bullets.”


But hey, this is all just a bunch of blog commenters right? It couldn’t possibly have an impact in the real world. It's all just posted to upset liberals.

Right?

Well, it has had an impact in the real world. Strange as it may seem to many people, those supposedly “meaningless” comments sections on a blog (and a small comments section at that) actually reflect the views of human beings who exist outside of the Internet and are capable of acting in the offline world.

Literal people, not virtual people, who are capable of reading Mr. Vanderboegh's blog, literally hefting a literal brick, and literally hurling it through a literal window.

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Date: 24/3/10 03:29 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] omnot.livejournal.com
Oh hurrah.

An extremist minority decide that the threat of violence made real by actual examples of violence is a way to force the elected government to accede to their demands.

It sounds familiar, but... it can't be terrorism, can it? Not when the perpetrators and agitators are true Americans!

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Date: 24/3/10 04:12 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] squidb0i.livejournal.com
Right now it's just sedition.

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Date: 24/3/10 03:33 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] merig00.livejournal.com
Last time a window in democrat's office was broken - it was done by democrats themselves. So let's wait for police report first.
http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2009/08/is_the_alleged_colorado_democr.php

And should I start listing all the liberal groups harassing people at their houses and even at schools their children attend?

So, even though I really regret people behaving like that, I must say it's just pendulum swinging back. Left radicals and right radicals just traded places.

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Date: 24/3/10 03:36 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] futurebird.livejournal.com

And should I start listing all the liberal groups harassing people at their houses and even at schools their children attend?


I guess you could, but this post is about conservatives... I never really get why people think "they did it to" invalidates something that is wrong.

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Non-objective speculative blog is..

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That's different.

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Date: 24/3/10 04:40 (UTC)
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Wait, how does more violence solve this problem? I'm thinking of the adage "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind", here. What, is it whichever party with the most survivors wins?

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http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2007/03/eliminationism-in-america-appendix.html

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From: [identity profile] primroseburrows.livejournal.com
Well, since one of the bricks through one of the windows had a quote from Barry Goldwater, I think we can rule out MoveOn in that one.

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Date: 24/3/10 03:35 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] futurebird.livejournal.com
No one was inside when the brick was hurled through the Democratic Patry Headquarters on University Avenue. Attached was a note quoting conservative Barry Goldwater: “Exremism [sic] in defense of liberty is no vice”.


Has anyone see Jeff???!?

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Date: 24/3/10 11:38 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
Cute, but I'm a weakling. I can't throw a brick more than a couple feet, and it would probably bounce back off the window and nail me in the head.

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Date: 24/3/10 04:45 (UTC)
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That's direct reaction to all the "Bush should be hanged" posts on forums during his years as a President.
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Date: 24/3/10 04:58 (UTC)
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If you think he's exhilarated by that response, wait 'til you see how he gets when he sees the noise the extreme left is going to make about this wave of jackbooted thuggery that is sweeping the nation. Dear god they've got bricks! Run for the hills!

Also, he got a post all to himself in a politics community. It's christmas morning in Pinson, Alabama.

Anyhoo, I count four broken windows, or at best, two sets of broken windows. That's still less than I saw broken during an antiwar demonstration in san francisco, and many less than were broken during an anti-police march in Oakland. And the reasons were largely the same: dissent. I await your post on those events.

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Date: 24/3/10 04:59 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] headhouse.livejournal.com
Edit: "Or at best, four sets of broken windows."

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Date: 24/3/10 07:06 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enders-shadow.livejournal.com
Do you see this as being the height of violence in the near future?

It'd be nice, actually, if bricks through windows was the worst that happened. Alas, I do not know if things are getting better or worse.

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Date: 24/3/10 04:59 (UTC)
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The irony right now is that I read this right after reading an RSS about how Ann Coulter had to cancel a speech because a violent demonstration is going on over it. It looks like the right-wingers are just slow to respond. They waited till after healthcare was passed. Apparently they should have been violent when Dems were just talking about it.

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Date: 24/3/10 10:08 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
Or maybe they should grow the fuck up and stop being violent. Making counter-example excuses with anecdotal stories about Ann Coulter doesn't cut it.

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Date: 24/3/10 11:56 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drcruel.livejournal.com
I know! We all need guns so we can snipe terrorist right-wingers before they can throw bricks through our windows!

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Date: 24/3/10 14:14 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allhatnocattle.livejournal.com
Not sure if I should be throwing bricks or ducking from them. As I've explained many times, I'm a socialist. A liberal conservative libertarian socialist.

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Date: 24/3/10 18:28 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
Wow, he thinks he's self-important and you agree with him. Huh.

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Date: 24/3/10 22:56 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eracerhead.livejournal.com
Think our way or we'll kill you. Hmm... These right wingers must also be Christian fundamentalists.

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Date: 25/3/10 00:18 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sandwichwarrior.livejournal.com
Actually this particular branch is saying "Leave us alone or we'll kill you."

...a subtle but important distinction.

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When people rationalize extreme actions with the assertion that they are trying to defend liberty, it is because they have never truly experienced liberty and are simply suffering from a delusion.
From: [identity profile] sandwichwarrior.livejournal.com
Of course, you don't "defend liberty" by breaking the law, you exercise it.

Afterall, the law only has as much influence over your behavior as you allow it.

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