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You must have all heard the news. Today the US executed a direct military operation against Venezuela, striking key targets, capturing president Maduro and his wife, and announcing their transfer to the US to face criminal charges, including alleged narco-terrorism and drug trafficking offenses. The rapidly unfolding events mark the most significant US military intervention in Latin America since Panama in 1989. The US government has framed this action as a response to alleged criminality and illegitimacy, but global reactions underline deep concerns about violations of sovereignty and international law. Overwhelming condemnation has come from the UN, China, Russia, and numerous Latin American governments, with calls for respect for the UN Charter and regional stability:
https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/topstories/world/971543/trump-says-venezuela-s-maduro-deposed-captured-after-us-strikes/story/

To understand these developments, it is useful to recall John Perkins's Economic Hit Man framework, which posits that US foreign policy often disguises economic and geopolitical objectives - access to resources, debt leverage, and strategic realignment - as benevolent interventions. Perkins describes a range of methods: economic pressure via loans and conditional aid, covert manipulation of political elites, engineered crises to justify external influence, and, in extreme cases, overt regime change. Whether or not one accepts every detail in Perkins narrative, its core thesis - that the US systematically prioritizes its corporate and strategic interests, often at the expense of local sovereignty - provides a lens through which to view the US behavior across decades.

Linking that framework to Venezuela, the Maduro removal fits a historical pattern of US conduct: sustained economic sanctions, rhetorical delegitimization of elected authorities, and ultimately kinetic intervention to install a government more aligned with US priorities. In this case, Venezuela's vast proven oil reserves and its strategic location in the Western Hemisphere are unmistakable factors. This intervention did not occur in a vacuum - it followed months of escalating economic pressure, naval buildup, sanctions, and public vilification of Maduro. It echoes prior US interventions against governments that resisted US economic influence, from Chile in 1973 to Iraq in 2003, and reflects a bipartisan continuity of US power projection irrespective of the party in the White House.

There's more to this story, of course. There is persistent online speculation that China has "turned its back" on Maduro. In reality, Beijing has not abandoned Maduro by formal declaration, but neither has it offered substantive military assistance in the face of US action. China's Foreign Ministry strongly condemned the US use of force and described it as a violation of sovereignty and international law, consistent with its broader diplomatic posture. China historically supported Maduro diplomatically and economically, and it opposed foreign interference. However, analysts note Beijing's reluctance to escalate beyond rhetoric or to commit military support, prioritizing its own economic interests and geopolitical calculations. There is no credible evidence that China has formally withdrawn recognition or support; rather, its response has been one of condemnation without material engagement. Which by itself tells a whole story:
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/world-reacts-us-strikes-venezuela-2026-01-03/

Looking forward, the implications extend far beyond Venezuela's borders. The US action reinforces a renewed Monroe Doctrine-style posture: explicit focus on dominance in the Western Hemisphere while signaling a reduced role in traditional theaters such as Europe and Asia. This doctrine arguably invites not just hemispheric realignment but a competitive reconfiguration of global power relations. Authoritarian and/or regional powers - notably China, Russia, and Israel - may interpret America's focus on its "backyard" as both a retreat from distant commitments and a carte blanche to pursue their own spheres of influence more assertively elsewhere. Such dynamics already appear at play in Europe (Russia) and the Middle East (Israel's regional posture), as well as in parts of Africa and the Indo-Pacific (China's Belt and Road expansion).

In sum, while proponents of the US operation praise it as liberation or justice, the larger pattern suggests continuity with a long history of US strategic interventions that privilege geopolitical and commercial interests over international law and self-determination. Whether this sets a precedent for other powers to act unilaterally is not speculative - the fragmentation of post-World War II norms in favor of raw power politics is already underway. The world may be entering an era where might increasingly defines legitimacy, and the rules-based order that once constrained great-power behavior is weakening. And that's not a good path to go down on.

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Date: 3/1/26 18:15 (UTC)
fridi: (Default)
From: [personal profile] fridi
A fancy way of saying it's basically a free-for-all at this point.
I'm not sure how Trump can now claim he deserves a Nobel Peace Prize if he's giving excuses to other big guys to start military adventures wherever they please, China -> Taiwan being the obvious next story on the horizon.

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Date: 3/1/26 18:46 (UTC)
asthfghl: (Коста Баничаров)
From: [personal profile] asthfghl
Let me be a bit cynical here and just say that if anything, Trump has shown Putin how you take control of a country in a neat, clean, surgical way.

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Date: 4/1/26 13:06 (UTC)
oportet: (Default)
From: [personal profile] oportet
He may have also shown future US leaders that it's possible to satisfy the 'no new wars' crowd AND keep our defense contractors fat and happy.

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Date: 4/1/26 17:02 (UTC)
mellowtigger: Cartman of South Park (authority)
From: [personal profile] mellowtigger
I like this historian's explanation (YouTube), if you can spare 20 minutes for world history context. In this new mindset, Trump gets everything on this side of the Atlantic.

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Date: 5/1/26 16:18 (UTC)
merig00: (Default)
From: [personal profile] merig00
What precedent? This was done on anniversary of Noriega capture. That was just 39 years ago.

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Date: 5/1/26 19:37 (UTC)
merig00: (Default)
From: [personal profile] merig00
This doesn’t create any new precedent, it’s just continuity. The US doing this isn’t novel, shocking, or norm breaking in 2026. It’s the same pattern we’ve seen for decades: Panama, Iraq, Libya, Kosovo, Grenada. The rule has long been: when the U.S. decides an interest matters enough, it acts, takes diplomatic heat, and nothing structurally happens afterward. That precedent is already fully baked in. The global response also states the same - UN condemnation, China/Russia criticizing, regional outrage, but no real consequences, no escalation, no enforcement. That’s been the standard outcome since the Cold War ended.

Calling this a “Monroe Doctrine revival” implies it ever went away. It didn’t. The Western Hemisphere has always been treated differently by the U.S. So, this is maintenance, not a shift.
And the idea that this encourages other powers is a great talking point but not real: Russia, China, and Israel were already acting unilaterally. That trend didn’t start here.
This event doesn’t open a new era. It just confirms we’re still in the same one.

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Date: 6/1/26 19:51 (UTC)
merig00: (Default)
From: [personal profile] merig00
I’m not conceding the core argument. I’m rejecting the claim that this moment changes anything.
Yes, repetition creates precedent. However, precedent already exists. It is fully institutionalized, and has been for decades. If something was settled by Panama, Iraq, and Libya, then 2026 doesn’t “harden” it further, it just operates inside a framework everyone already understood. It isn’t being strengthened. It’s being reiterated.
On signaling: U.S. leaders have periodically de-prioritized regions and refocused elsewhere for many years: Europe, Asia, Middle East. None of those speeches altered the actual structure of power or commitments. Declaring hemispheric focus doesn’t remove constraints that already weren’t enforced.

And on legitimizing others: Russia didn’t invade Ukraine because of Panama, Libya, or Venezuela. It did so because it calculated enforcement wouldn’t happen. That calculation was made long before this event.

So yes, norms erode through repetition. But once enforcement is gone, repeating the violation doesn’t degrade the norm further. It just confirms the status quo. Calling that complacency confuses realism with dramatization. Not every confirmation is an inflection point.

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Date: 5/1/26 17:39 (UTC)
nairiporter: (Default)
From: [personal profile] nairiporter
Greenland is next, I'm afraid.

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Date: 6/1/26 18:42 (UTC)
asthfghl: (Коста Баничаров)
From: [personal profile] asthfghl
I'm curious, what do NATO's rules say when one member state attacks another? ;-)

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Date: 9/1/26 01:32 (UTC)
From: [personal profile] edelsont

Stephen Colbert has answered that. He said, roughly:

The NATO charter clearly says that any attack on a NATO member shall be treated, by all members, as an attack against all.

So that means that, if we attack Greenland, we'll be obligated to go to war against ... ourselves!

Gee, that's scary. You really don't want to go to war with the United States. They're insane!

kidnapping

Date: 5/1/26 21:14 (UTC)
From: [personal profile] edelsont
I just spoke to an employee of my representative in Congress (western North Carolina).
The message I asked her to pass on to her boss:

"The recent kidnapping of the President of Venezuela was not authorized in advance by Congress,
and was therefore illegal."

I was referring to US law. I made no comment about international law or basic morality.

Re: kidnapping

Date: 6/1/26 19:55 (UTC)
merig00: (Default)
From: [personal profile] merig00
US law doesn't recognize Maduro as the President of Venezuela and allows to prosecute foreigners regardless of whether their presence in the United States was lawfully secured.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/maduro-case-will-revive-legal-debate-over-foreign-leader-immunity-tested-in-noriega-trial

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Date: 6/1/26 20:40 (UTC)
abomvubuso: (Groovy Kol)
From: [personal profile] abomvubuso
With his swift operation to apprehend Maduro, Trump has shown that Putin's self-proclaimed "multipolar" world (bringing together anti-Western dictatorial alliances from Caracas to Tehran) is essentially toothless.

Putin has proven an unreliable ally to Maduro, but the humiliation runs deeper: Trump's real global reach will surely make him envious.

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